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The thing I like most about those who say we humans are upsetting “nature’s” balance is the presumption that we are not part of that “nature.” So if we do change the “nature” of the planet then I guess we’ll be the first species ever to do so.

And lets not forget that indigenous peoples lived in harmonious bliss with “nature” and each other until the indigenous-people-oppressing-no-regard-for-the-environment-capitalist-colonialist-militarist Western Europeans came along.

I often wonder what it must be like for Western left-wing intellectuals to live in a perpetual state of self/historical/species-loathing.

From the site your linked:

"Skeptical Science is maintained by John Cook. He studied physics at the University of Queensland, Australia. After graduating, he majored in solar physics in his post-grad honours year. He is not a climate scientist. Consequently, the science presented on Skeptical Science is not his own but taken directly from the peer reviewed scientific literature."

It's just like every other web site you can find out there pro or con global warming. This one is pro global warming, and even he admitted he is not a climate scientist.

You can easily fly over nonpopulated areas of Australia, the US, China, Canada, etc. and see nothing forever. Regardless, you can also fly over the oceans (which cover 70% plus of the surface area of the Earth) and find no human existance. You can then also delve into the Earth itself, and find the volume under the surface area which has exponentially greater mass. One major volcanic eruption causes more expulsion to the atmosphere than most of the carbon output of humans over the course of decades.

Having said all of that, I am not a climatologist. But there sure seems to be a lot of snow this year...

So tell me, why is it that when there is some bad weather event we have some AGW advocate saying things like

"You can expect more of these events due to global warming"

But when the northern hemisphere has it's coldest winter for quite some time, the line is:

"This is the weather, not the climate"

From the BBC interview with Phil Jones from CRU - the guy in the epicentre of the climategate scandal :
Question:
Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming

His Answer : Yes, but only just....

In otherwords the warming since 1995, according to his records (which he has trouble managing appaently) say there has been warming since 1995, but it is so small that it is insignificant.

Link to interview (not an interpretation of the interview):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

Man these global warming threads have really been some hot topics lately.

We *finally* got our little share of global warming, 72F for a high today, a most welcomed temperature ... bad news is that it's supposed to only last through today, cold weather is supposed to roll back in tomorrow. Dammit.

Talked to my mum today, 80 in SoCal, it's the first time I've missed CA since I left

That's basically what I'm saying...scientists that are part of the green movement aren't necessarily providing the facts but rather their "interpretation" of them. Once they started adding or leaving out conflicting data to support their "interpretation" or "theory", imo they lose credibility just like someone who lies in a court of law....once that happens, you then start questioning the rest of the "facts".

Adrian,

Once again, i agree completely. I am now at the point where I will not believe any science that isn't based on empirical evidence with released data. This modeling stuff is BS, IMHO.

I fear that many other people just won't believe science anymore, and something real will need to be addressed.

Yes, we should all believe the intellectual right, particularly from the States.
“Intellectual right”, is this not an oxymoron? Reminds me of Fox News, Fair and Balanced.
Look, over there, a shiny thing!

Don't get me wrong please. Megyn Kelly of Fox News is a fox, brain dead, but a fox.