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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
grunt #292624 02/17/10 02:27 AM
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"Bored now(!)" ?

Your first rant did that!

And please trust that you make me laugh, not upset.
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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
JaimeG #292636 02/17/10 06:50 AM
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 Originally Posted By: JaimeG

I see your point but I get a bit uneasy when someone start equating science and religion. There's no faith in science.


I understand your unease many if not most people in the West are educated from day one that science is just right. Text books are often written w/o equivocation which is why most good professors won't use them for higher level courses preferring to use a cross-section of articles and other non "textbook" sources.

In a perfect world science is nothing more than a tool, a set of guidelines on how to conduct trial and error in an organized way. However, in response to the schism between “science” and the “church” (many early scientists were clergy and later were often still “religious”) science got branded as and co-opted by anti-religious ideologues (both left and right wing) seeking to wrestle power from the “church.”

The more fundamental issue is that all human constructs including science are based on some degree of faith. Even in its purest forms mathematics and symbolic logic need something accepted as a "given" to get the ball rolling. Not to mention the symbol and numbering systems chosen are even culturally based social constructs. As one moves away from reasoning in these most strict forms even more social biases creep in. So by the time one moves science from the realms of mathematics > symbolic logic > chemistry % physics > multi-disciplinary fields such as climatology there are so many socially induced biases that any work in the field is filled with assumptions based on the faith (preconceived beliefs or ideology) of the researchers and even tainted by something as basic as the words used to make the argument.

While one can argue that science by design creates repeatable results which can have powerful predictive powers, this in not an absolute, still being subject to all sorts of human biases especially when applied to policy making. People blame religion for all sorts of evils while those same people give science a free pass for atrocities committed in its name. Both sides of this issue just make excuses for the excesses committed in pursuit of their beliefs claiming they are not representative while simultaneously claiming the other sides excesses are representative.

True believers are IMO the same regardless of how they derive their beliefs. It's been that way for thousands of years and nothing has happened recently to indicate that has changed. IMO true believers from opposing left and right wing ideologies are much more fundamentally alike than they are different. The differences are superficial.

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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
medic8r #292637 02/17/10 06:54 AM
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson

Does this mean us married guys are finally allowed to have girlfriends?

Why have marriage? ;\)


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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
grunt #292638 02/17/10 07:00 AM
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 Originally Posted By: grunt
 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson

Does this mean us married guys are finally allowed to have girlfriends?

Why have marriage? ;\)


Because my wife has a great attorney.

Kidding....

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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
a401classic #292639 02/17/10 07:02 AM
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Holy Cr@p! I go to work for a day and come back to 12 pages of stirred up hornets nest to read thru. Awesome!

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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
a401classic #292665 02/17/10 04:25 PM
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SirQuack #292674 02/17/10 05:04 PM
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Yes. I've been well blessed to have a high paying job that hopefully I'll be able to keep for many years to come.

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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
grunt #292677 02/17/10 05:28 PM
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 Originally Posted By: grunt

 Originally Posted By: JaimeG

I see your point but I get a bit uneasy when someone start equating science and religion. There's no faith in science.


I understand your unease many if not most people in the West are educated from day one that science is just right. Text books are often written w/o equivocation which is why most good professors won't use them for higher level courses preferring to use a cross-section of articles and other non "textbook" sources.




The really good professors in my experience use their own textbooks that they have published no matter what year, along with the use of custom courseware. You are right that professors seem to stray away from textbooks at higher level courses but that is because undergrad is more theory based and years 4 or 5 + is more applied and research (no textbooks for that) oriented. Textbooks are usually replaced with custom course material put together by the prof.


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Re: Maybe Al Gore is onto something...
BlueJays1 #292682 02/17/10 05:43 PM
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oh I misread your post, I thought you said your wife was an attorney and purchased all your toys. \:\) I want the vette, lol


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