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Makes ya wonder if other off shoot companies of AV123 will be looked at and or be having troubles.

To the best of my knowledge, the only companies connected in any fashion with AV123 are Perpetual technologies and the Graham Company. But those are not offshoots, they are owned by Mark Schifter. I think he was maybe starting another company with Arnie Neudel (sp?) to produce the RSL II speakers, but I don't know if that actually happened. Did you have a specific company you believe to be an offshoot in mind, Rick?

No, I didn't Jack.

Wow.

I've almost ordered some low-end AV123 speakers several times, when they'd go on super-sale. Just because I was curious about them. Never did. I never felt like I really knew what was going on. Didn't feel 'right'. Too much weirdness with certain speakers being available, or not available, or the status of shipping, where in the world is MLS, etc, etc.

Crazy! I guess I'll have to wander over to AV123's forums and watch the crisis unfold. My money's on this being the end for AV123. Even if Mr Schiffler is found innocent, word-of-forum is critical for an online-only vendor. The trust is gone.

I wonder what ramifications this will have for Emotiva. I know that Emotiva isn't part of AV123 anymore, but I think they used to be. I wonder if they'll get caught up in this. Or if this is perhaps why Emotiva broke off from AV123...

From reading the indictment this is a Schifter and AV123 issue. Now this doesn't even include any tax evasion (federal/state). It is most certain this company will be investigated thoroughly but beyond that who knows. If you have followed the issues with this company over the years and owner/president etc go well beyond the alleged raffle fraud.

I believe they are two separate entities and have been for some time now. There has been some recent drama that I have been reading about with a disgruntled employee and disgruntled customers with one of their new products. Totally unrelated to anything av123. Emo I get red flags about personally and IMO would never purchase anything from them, but in no way co-orrelate them to av123

Jack are you sure you're not really Nostradamus?

No kidding! I hadn't been over to the Emotiva forums for a few weeks. Got a couple of weird forum messages from it yesterday and found the forums locked down. And today, wow. Too much drama. What a day in my small little world of audio forums!

Might want to ask Teri what she thinks about that analogy.

Wow, I just read the links and the thread.

If the articles are true, that Mark fella ain't nothing more than low life thief and he'll do it again.