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#295158 - 03/04/10 11:35 PM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: TroyD]
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You said “front row” which implies you are planning more than one row of seats. In that case you may benefit more from QS speakers in the back if your back row of seats will be closer to the wall. I haven’t experimented with back speakers and multiple rows of seats but my feeling is that QS speakers might sound better. Be interesting to hear from anyone who has experimented with direct radiating and multi-polar speakers with multiple rows of seating.

I’m fine with using one EP500 in my room which also has an adjoining kitchen/dinning area of almost equal sized. Makes more than enough base for me. At some point I might consider a second subwoofer mostly to even out the bass I cant get it where I like with placement and room treatments. Also a second EP500 cost a lot less than a second EP600/800. The EP500 even shakes my seating if I want it to but for the ground shaking bass I prefer the Buttkicker especially now that I have dual configurable subwoofer outputs on my receiver. IMO the Buttkicker’s shaking/rumbling feels much more real than that induced by a subwoofer.
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#295170 - 03/05/10 02:11 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: grunt]
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Dean, if you ever have the chance to audition some D-BOX Motion Code furniture, I'd like to hear how its shaking ability compares to the Buttkicker's.

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#295173 - 03/05/10 02:43 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: CV]
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Looks interesting Charles. At first I wondered how they could time the movement to the onscreen action but the explanation is they have to code it. I’d love to try something like that out but I’d be hard pressed to buy it unless the coding became a standard on all movies and video games and not something aftermarket.
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#295174 - 03/05/10 02:52 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: grunt]
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Yeah, it's not standard, but I do see the logo occasionally on Blu-rays and I think, awww, I want my furniture to be possessed by a demon. I'd jump right in if it didn't cost so much. Here's hoping they can get the price down enough to make it feasible for more people, or it will never be standard.

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#295175 - 03/05/10 02:59 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: CV]
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I’ll have to start looking for the logo. I should read more on it. Do you know if it has to be coded onto the disk or is it downloadable separately?

I imagine it’s going to be tough to get good market penetration with something like that. As compared to a tactile transducer which can be retrofitted to existing furniture and uses the existing audio track.
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#295176 - 03/05/10 03:12 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: grunt]
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This can be installed in existing furniture at certain locations. I don't think the place closest to me offers that service, though.

I'm going to have to read more, too, since I don't know if it has to be coded onto the disc. You'd think they'd allow downloadable files for added value, and considering how extensive the list is on their site, you'd think a lot of those were added after the fact.

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#295186 - 03/05/10 09:06 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: TroyD]
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Troy I would say as far as your back speakers if you listen to more music then movies direct might be a good way to go. If you are about half the Q's are hard to beat they are good for music too. I tried my M22's in the back of the room as surrounds in a 5.1 set up about 8 1/2 feet away they were not as diffused as the Q's but worked great. I felt like it served both rows in my room better the M22's image well. So it is just personal taste so yes if you had the room I would say F/R 80's VP 150 center, and M22's rear.
Thanks Steve
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#295194 - 03/05/10 09:54 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: CV]
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 Originally Posted By: CV
This can be installed in existing furniture at certain locations. I don't think the place closest to me offers that service, though.

The have a platform on which you can place your furniture, or the motion system can be integrated into it.

 Originally Posted By: CV
I'm going to have to read more, too, since I don't know if it has to be coded onto the disc. You'd think they'd allow downloadable files for added value, and considering how extensive the list is on their site, you'd think a lot of those were added after the fact.

There are some discs which have the "Motion Codes" included on them. But even those have to be placed into an DVD/BD drive in the Motion Controller, and integrated with the database stored there. Older Motion Controllers didn't have BD drives at all, and it's still an option in the newer models. The Motion Controller also has an Ethernet interface which it can use to download Codes from the Internet. Codes are added daily, and are usually available at the time of a disc's release. On purchase users get a 1 year subscription to the Code updates, it has to be renewed (by 1 or 4 years) after that.

The way it knows which disc you're currently playing is by watching the Dolby Digital or DTS bitstream from an optical connection. It has to be doing some fancy DB work, because it often takes only 5 seconds to synchronize with any part of a film. It's probably not a big deal to hook up a DVD player, just use it's optical out. But on Blu-ray, many players don't have the optical out active when using HDMI for audio, or don't provide the core bitstream, but down-mixed 2-channel PCM (which the Motion Controller won't recognize). So DVD is pretty much flawless, but BD support can present problems depending on your hardware.

I keep reading up on the system, only to once again see the price, and stop.
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#295208 - 03/05/10 11:48 AM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: ClubNeon]
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Thanks Chris. Sounds like this stuff is already a lot more refined than I realized. Have you tried it out?
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#295216 - 03/05/10 12:11 PM Re: the bestest setup ??? [Re: grunt]
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No, I haven't been able to try it out in person yet. As I said, I've read a lot about it, including every first-hand account I've come across. If you like the idea of tactile inducers (which I do), then this is really a step above that. In fact, if the D-Box can't find a matching Motion Code, it can fall back to vibration only, and function much like a ButtKicker.
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