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Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
SRoode #296206 03/12/10 06:25 PM
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 Originally Posted By: SRoode
Please let me know how it sounds! They are in the final phases of testing the horinontal M80 center. Ian wanted to try one last configuration: WTMMTW

They have already tested the TMWWMT and WMTTMW configurations and have been pleased with the results.


Yeah, I've already been working on a stand for this beast. If it's a disaster then I'll need to get it from Axiom when they come out with one.

I am curious too which configuration they will go with. It'd be funny if they offered more than one choice so that people could pick their design based on a personal design preference (assuming they all sounded equally or similarly good of course).

My guess though is that they will stick with the TMWWMT design to keep in consistent with the VP150. I don't particularly care as long as it sounds great, which I'm sure it will \:\)

Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
jakewash #296209 03/12/10 06:37 PM
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I wonder why Ian never tries a WWT/MWW design like so many other companies are using?


Don't know, maybe he doesn't feel that having the tweeter above the mid driver offers any/enough benefit in DBLT's to warrant a major cabinet re-design. If this new centre is based on the M80 then I'd assume they are using the M80 cabinet, which width wise (or conversely height wise for a horizontal speaker) would not accomodate a tweeter and mid driver.

I know I've read that for horizontal speakers it is best to have the tweeter slighty offset from the rest of the drivers, but it's possible that Ian discovered no real audible advantage to this. I'm purely speculating here of course.

All those that claim the dual tweeters on the M80 are a bad design will likely cringe if Ian goes with the WMTTMW design. Double whammy: tweeter in line with drivers and dual tweeters side by side \:o

Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
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They already cringe with the VP150's dual tweeters.

I just know that the WT/MW designs I have heard sounded more dynamic, more like standard speakers, than the VP150, it could have just been the cabinets were larger allowing for better low end effects.


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Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
jakewash #296236 03/12/10 07:45 PM
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If I can figure out how to mount one of these thing above my LCD rp I'm buying one!


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Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
terzaghi #296238 03/12/10 08:00 PM
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i tried one of my double m80's horizontal and it sounded terrible, very directional... so i'm sure ian will have the best configuration for performance

Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
terzaghi #296240 03/12/10 08:03 PM
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Based on the listening tests I did with my 2 M22s laying horizontally if the tweeters are on the outside the “widening” of the center soundstage was even greater than the VP150. While interesting for movies it was a non-starter for music IMO. With the M22’s tweeters on the inside there was still a wall of sound but not as pronounced, more like the VP150s. However, there was noticeable lobbing with program material not just pink noise.

I was hopping that if they were going to use dual tweeters it would have been more of a WM(T/T)MW though that still wouldn’t eliminate interference between the tweeters and midranges at the crossover frequencies. IMO any horizontal array as wide as this will be is going to be a no go for me for music unless it was at least 20’ away.


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Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
grunt #296258 03/12/10 09:16 PM
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We are just assuming it will go into the m80 cabinet. Maybe they will make a new cabinet altogether that allows for stacked drivers?


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Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
terzaghi #296260 03/12/10 09:21 PM
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I also wonder if the cabinet will be more like the VP150, with one angled side and one square.


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Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
terzaghi #296263 03/12/10 09:35 PM
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 Originally Posted By: terzaghi
We are just assuming it will go into the m80 cabinet. Maybe they will make a new cabinet altogether that allows for stacked drivers?


But according to SRoode they are not going the stacked driver route, so there would be no need for a new cabinet, just a slightly modified M80 cabinet.

Re: Anyone using an M80 for a center channel?
ClubNeon #296265 03/12/10 09:41 PM
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 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I also wonder if the cabinet will be more like the VP150, with one angled side and one square.


Can it be used on either side? Would it sound the same? If so then that seems like a nice design for placement flexibility; the angled side would help eliminate the need for an angled stand for some people.

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