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#296314 - 03/12/10 10:01 PM Sub Upgrade
FireGuy Offline
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Registered: 10/31/07
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Loc: Buffalo, New York
I'm getting ready to replace my BIC V1220. It's been a good performer over the past 2.5 years with periods of LFE bliss along with some mediocrity at times. I know there's better. I'm looking at a budget of approx $500.00 and have the following vendor/models in consideration: HSU VTF-1, SVS PB10-NSD, Aperion Bravus 8D & Axiom's own EP175. I want Axiom but I just don't see the "heft" in the EP175. The other contendors come in a little stronger in the spec area with real-wood veeners. Aesthetics is not my top parameter but it helps. I'm hoping the experience on this forum can provide some good direction.
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#296317 - 03/12/10 10:45 PM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: FireGuy]
photonblur Offline
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Registered: 10/27/06
Posts: 23
Hello DC,

I have a SVS-PC12-NSD on order, due to be delivered this Tues.
Cost $599+shipping, 45 day trial, no shipping refund. I was
going to order the PC12-Plus,500 watts, but was talked out of
it by SVS. The PC12-NSD is 350 watts. Sub is just for music.
Per SVS the additional benefit of more power would only
come into play for very deep bass at very loud volumes. Since
I don't intend to blast pipe organ tunes I am trying the smaller
unit. This was a tough enough sell to the wife without the
additional 5 inches of height for the plus model. I have the
M80v2s and have been advised to plug the ports for better
sub integration. Anyone else doing this?

PB

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#296327 - 03/12/10 11:35 PM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: photonblur]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6874
Loc: It's all about the location.
You might also want to check out some of the offerings from ED subs, Outlaw, Epik and Paradigm DSP3200 which are in that price range as well.
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#296330 - 03/12/10 11:48 PM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: Adrian]
cb919 Offline
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Registered: 02/17/09
Posts: 1165
Loc: Ottawa, Canada
Agreed with Adrian - I fully second the DSP subs from Paradigm. They sound quite good and are a very good value. I almost bought one but then ended up going all Axiom at the eleventh hour.
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#296333 - 03/12/10 11:58 PM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: cb919]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 7786
Loc: Canada
Those are good recommendations so far. If you are handy and inclined to build your own, you could consider a [url=http://www.creativesound.ca/details.php?model=QUARTET10 Subwoofer Kit]Kit like this[/url] from Creative sounds, or even their sdx15 paired with a decent amp. There are plenty of good designs out there for DIY.

Sadly, I don't think the EP175 would satisfy you. The EP350 is a solid performer though.
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#296362 - 03/13/10 08:19 AM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: fredk]
FireGuy Offline
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Registered: 10/31/07
Posts: 316
Loc: Buffalo, New York
Both the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus and the Paradigm DSP3200 have been added to the list. I think of these two the better choice (at least on paper) is the Outlaw, and it's below my budget number. I'm not a big fan of working with dealers anymore (thanks Axiom & Aperion)) so there's that nagging "mark up" with Paradigm I need to deal with. Down to three...at least as of this moring: Outlaw LFM-1, HSU VFT-1 and Aperion Bravus 8D. Can I get some love for the Outlaw anyone?

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html
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#296367 - 03/13/10 09:39 AM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: FireGuy]
SirQuack Offline
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Registered: 01/29/04
Posts: 13567
Loc: Iowa
I would also give good consideration to ED (Elemental Designs) that Adrian mentioned. They are based right here in the heartland of Iowa, and get rave reviews rom the sub guru's on most forums. I have not yet toured the plant, but I know you get the best bang for the buck, kinda like Axiom.
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#296368 - 03/13/10 09:40 AM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: FireGuy]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6789
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.

Out of the three listed I would pick the Outlaw. I had the Hsu VTF-2MK1, it's pretty close the the VTF-1, and I have the Hsu STF-3. The Outlaw is a real close match to the STF-3.

The STF-3 is a much more powerful sub so I suspect the Hsu wouldn't match the Outlaw.
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#296383 - 03/13/10 11:46 AM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: fredk]
Jasper Offline
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Registered: 03/13/10
Posts: 20
 Originally Posted By: fredk
Sadly, I don't think the EP175 would satisfy you.


If you don't mind me barging in, I wonder if you wouldn't recommend the EP175 just in this case, or wouldn't recommend it, period? I've been the satisfied owner of two M22's for a couple of years and now I'm thinking of moving into a 5.1 all-Axiom system with the EP175 as a sub.

I'm not looking to dance around with the coffee table, so to speak, but I want a sub that will complement the M22's on the lower end. We don't have a huge living room (11,5 by 18 feet) and music is much more important to me than movies. What do you guys think? Will the EP175 work for me? Should I look into other options?

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#296384 - 03/13/10 11:51 AM Re: Sub Upgrade [Re: Jasper]
SirQuack Offline
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Loc: Iowa
Wow Rick, as a new ED owner I would think they would be on your top list, did it not work out?
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