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"A conservative is a man that sits and thinks. Mostly sits."
--- Woodrow Wilson

As bad as (some) of the corporate Dems can be, 30 years of Republican and conservative ideology have almost destroyed the US (and large portions of the world) and have been roundly rejected by the American people in our last two elections.

It's kind of fun (and a bit scary) to watch the death throes of a failed ideology and political party. Their whole worldview has finally come crashing down into reality. This whole Teabagger movement is the result of years of Fox news and right-wing talk radio. These "patriots' are ignorant, misinformed and angry that a 'black" man is in the white house because their boy GWB screwed the pooch so bad. America has finally rejected the "party of ideas" (lol) and their mantra of "less taxes" (for the wealthiest) and 30 years of FAIL.

It must kill these racist a-holes who have been taught their whole life that blacks are inferior to them to have a black man, who is way smarter and more accomplished than they could ever hope to be, governing our country. And doing it well. And as a centrist for Christ sake! I wish he were more liberal, then maybe we could have single payer. But I'm patient. And Obama is, without a doubt, the best president we have had in a long, long time.

All this yelling about "socialism" and "fascism" and "communism" (yes, wingnuts confuse these terms) by the teabaggers is hilarious. Not only can they not define these terms, they usually can't spell them either.

And all these Ayn Rand fanboys (horrible writer of wingnut fantasy for infantile minds) hate any form of socialism and worship at the alter of free markets but cannot tell me how society can function without all of the "socialism" that we already have (police, fire dept, roads, water/sewage etc.) and dream of a perfect, unregulated free market. They could always move to Somalia I suppose.



I respect you Grunt, but really? What do you hate about us "liberals"? You really think that Republican rule has brought good things to this country? And aren't you ex-military? I have a kook uncle who is ex-military. Rails against everything liberal or progressive and watches Fox new constantly, but has been sucking on the tax payer tit his whole miserable life. I think he mostly just hates minorities, gays, women etc. Loves his guns and bible though.

Right wing media portrays socialist countries as hell holes. When the truth is so much different. I would love for the US to become as horrible as Canada or Sweden. Most of these yahoos have never even traveled to Canada or Europe though.

Oh, and the myth of the "liberal media". The "media" is only as "liberal" as the corporations that own them.

And Ann Coulter is a vile piece of trash and St. Ronnie Reagan is dead and was a shitty president.

Dean's specifying the "lefties" who threatened to leave the US and didn't. I doubt he wants to be rid of every single person with liberal views, but maybe I'm wrong.

If you want to avoid reading my rant then:

What CV said!


I respect you too, for being a tad off beat and willing to speak your mind. Let me ask you one question (and pardon me if I’m reading to much into your post) but why if I hate “lefties” (my words) does it mean that I like “righties?” I despised the last Bush administration, their “neo-conservative” world view. Getting us into a completely stupid war in Iraq that violates all military principles I’ve learned for 40 years (yes I studied strategy/tactics as a kid). I had no problem with the Clinton administration (save his public disrespect of the office (I also liked Nixon save his criminal disrespect for the office)) because, despite the right-wing rhetoric it was about as middle of the road as it gets. President Clinton along with Prime Minister Blare were “Third Wayists” neither “conservative” nor “liberal.” I am a “leave-other-people-aloneist.” I don’t need people craving power or validation telling others that they can better run my life than they can. I hate modern “liberals” and modern “conservatives” equally. They are all IMO cut from the same cloth of authoritarianism despite some of their claims otherwise.

The intent of my comment was to highlight the inordinate amount of attention that people give to “talking-heads,” (not the band) who have no reason to be listened to save their “celebrity” status. Sometimes my mind connects dots like this “What’s her name we’re talking about” and all the Hollywood stars who were proclaiming that they would leave the country if G.W. Bush was elected. Their opinions are all equally worthless.

Sorry if my reaction seems over done but growing up in Arizonan culture in the 1960 I was raised to be a fiscal conservative and social liberal (Goldwater) and all the crap some of you are arguing about here now pollutes my state to a great degree because of the short sighted “liberal” policies that drove businesses out and cost of living up in the states that all these left and right wing nutcases that now live here baled from and came here to avoid. And now guess what they are doing here?

Just for reference I watch/listen to almost no “news.” When I did watch Brit Hume on FOX years ago I would change the channel when “What’s her name” came on I found her that disgusting. Now most of my news comes form NPR driving to work. They are decidedly biased to the left but at least try to present opposing viewpoints and do a much better job of it than the BBC IMO, sad because I use to really respect the BBC.

Cheers,
Dean

P.S. I support the secession of Arizona from the U.S. We held out, being the last of the 48 contiguous states and should never have given in.

P.P.S. I know, not gonna happen.

Cheers,
Dean

Well said Dean. The good thing about those middle of the road guys is that they are pragmatic. You compromise to get the important stuff. To get the right compromise you need to take a cold hard look at what it is you really want to accomplish.

The mid 60s to early 80s were the heyday of liberal ideology in Canada and it took us until the mid 90s to tighten our belts enough to begin to pay for that binge. From there we took a hard right into conservative ideology and massive debt yet again.

To me, the lesson is simple. Ideologically driven government = BAD. BAD = more debt.

I know the pitfalls of political threads, but I do enjoy them when they come up and people present perspectives I never considered. Thanks to the people providing intelligent, thoughtful discourse.

I agree but IMO it’s even worse than that. Historically representative governments always over extend themselves fiscally in order to buy the happiness or patriotism (votes) of the people in order to get or stay in power. It’s always been that way and always will because it plays to human nature on both sides those in power and those seeking their largess.

Sadly ideologically driven government tends to become driven by the “true-believers” who are often willing to do anything to see their utopian ideals realized.

Here's a famous political joke that I thought some in this thread would appreciate-

A journalist goes around and asks a Russian, a Pole, and an Israeli the same question.

He first goes to the Russian, "excuse me, what's your opinion of the meat shortage?" The Russians says, "what's an opinion?"

The journalist then goes to the Pole, "excuse me, what's your opinion of the meat shortage?" The Pole replies, "what's meat?

He then goes to the Israeli, "excuse me, what's your opinion of the meat shortage"? The Israeli replies, "what's excuse me?"

I would figure Grunt to be a “leave-other-people-alone-ist” anti-authoritarian type, lol. Anyone who has that avatar (Donald Sutherland, a fine Canadian liberal actor btw.) is gotta be anti-authority! I'm kinda that way myself. Used to think that I was a libertarian (with bleeding heart tendencies) until I realized that being a libertarian is like being a communist: They both sound good on paper, but in practice...

No man is an island. And now I'm more of a liberal/reluctant capitalist type (you should be able to make as much damn money as you want, just not by screwing your fellow man). I believe in personal freedom but I also know that I can't process my own sewage or have my own army and need a functioning society so that I can pursue my own brand of "freedom".

While I have thrived, and continue to thrive, living in the good ole' USA, there have been a few times that I was broke enough to qualify for food stamps/government assistance. But did I? No. I never even considered it. I'm a white male who was raised in a nice middle class family who's had plenty of opportunities. But I also know that many are born into lesser means than I and may need extra help. Does that mean I think it's ok to mooch off of my taxes? Hell no! But when I worked for the state (mental health) way back in the day, one thing I noticed: No one likes to be on welfare. Most of the recipients were (contrary to popular belief) white. And most (that I've known) would have gladly taken a job rather than be humiliated by the grinding poverty that being "on the dole" leaves you trapped in.

I think a part of being a liberal means that you care about the least fortunate (even when you are prosperous) and believe that society is better off if those people have a little help when they need it. I choose to see the "better" in people. A lot of the current crop of "conservatives" see the worst in people and think that you should just pull yourself up by the bootstraps. But you have to have "boots" first to do that!

I pay a crap load of taxes. In fact, I have to write a big check for Uncle Sam very soon (Grrrr!). I'd rather that money goes to helping than hurting (make speakers, not bombs!). But I am not naive, I know that a lot is wasted on crap. I, myself, am actually pretty fiscally conservative. I am not all about tax and spend. I do think the voters should have more say in where "our" money is spent and the only way to do that is by electing better people to govern on both sides of the political spectrum. I would rather my taxes go to improving the lot for "everyone" rather than the wealthiest and corporations. An educated and working populace is a safe and happy one. I pay a lot in home owners taxes as well. And you know where most of that goes? To help fund the schools in my county. And I don't have any freaking kids! But hey, I'll help fund your lil' snowflakes edumacation so Johnny can learn to read and get a good job so he isn't out robbing me at 2:00 am at an ATM.

I actually hope that the Republican party can get it's shit together and get back to it's stated principals (for which I share many) of smaller (but smarter, more efficient and less intrusive) government and non-interventionist foreign policy. We need their yang to the Democrats ying. There are many good conservative ideas that should be embraced, but the Coulters and Limbaughs and Hannitys and Fox News etc., bring nothing to civil discourse. They lie and demonize the left. They also will never debate their "ideas" with others who believe differently. Of course, they are entitled to their own "opinions", just not their own "facts" (truth has a liberal bias you know ). They are just an echo chamber playing to the fears of the ignorant and scared and convincing them to vote (and I find this to be so ridiculous) against their own best interests. Every. Single. Time.

I'm a Bill Hicks liberal (no, not full of psilocybin and ranting... well... sometimes!). I'd like to love all you motherfu#kers but it's hard sometimes when I see some of these dumb sumbitches and what they believe (on both sides) messing up my country. I hate political correctness taken to extreme. I would love to see all guns disappear (all you hunters can use cross bows dag nabbit!) tomorrow, but that ain't gonna happen. And as long as the bad guys, police and military have 'em, I want the right as well. I don't believe in the death penalty. The state should not have that right. Does no good anyway. And I hate war. A waste of human lives. But I am not a complete pacifist. I would kill in self defense or to defend or protect the rights and freedoms of every peace loving individual anywhere.

Truly, I think we should not be so divided as a people. I think the danger is the corporations, who have vested interests in both sides, to keep us oppressed and fighting each other. They are the true enemy of the people.