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Newsletter: VP180!!!! #303984 04/30/10 05:58 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island Awesome! ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #303985 04/30/10 06:01 PM Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,379 Likes: 7 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada bridgman axiomite bridgman axiomite Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,379 Likes: 7 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada Dang. Now *that's* a center speaker. I was thinking more along the lines of a VP160, I guess, with tweeter above the mid, but this really *is* awesome and a much better fit into typical HT systems. Last edited by bridgman; 04/30/10 06:01 PM. M60ti, VP180, QS8, M2ti, EP500, PC-Plus 20-39 M5HP, M40ti, Sierra-1 LFR1100 active, ADA1500-4 and -8

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! bridgman #303986 04/30/10 06:06 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa SirQuack shareholder in the making SirQuack shareholder in the making Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa you wanted it, Axiom listened. M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350 AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! SirQuack #303988 04/30/10 06:10 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida I was just checking that out, great news ... I'll have one on order. Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #303989 04/30/10 06:11 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa SirQuack shareholder in the making SirQuack shareholder in the making Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa I will PM you my address. M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350 AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! SirQuack #303991 04/30/10 06:16 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida I already have it Randy ... you do mean the Florida address, right? Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #303992 04/30/10 06:16 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma Not everybody gets the newsletter at the same time. Dammit. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! tomtuttle #303993 04/30/10 06:18 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA This is the Owner's Club letter. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #303997 04/30/10 06:27 PM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario U Ukiah enthusiast Ukiah enthusiast U Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario they probably missed the mark on this one, time will tell. Some people are like Slinky's, not much use however, when pushed down stairs, they make you smile.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #303999 04/30/10 06:28 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Well, you're a positive fellow. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304001 04/30/10 06:30 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa SirQuack shareholder in the making SirQuack shareholder in the making Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa Dang Ken, I almost posted the exact same thing. Don't you know the world would be a better place if more of us were always negative. M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350 AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #304002 04/30/10 06:33 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA  Originally Posted By: Ukiah they probably missed the mark on this one, time will tell. We all miss Mark, even when he's here.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #304003 04/30/10 06:34 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida  Originally Posted By: Ukiah they probably missed the mark on this one, time will tell. Why do you say that? Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #304004 04/30/10 06:35 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA  Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson Awesome! I'm surprised at the pricing. I thought it would be more expensive. I'm happy with my M22, but it's still tempting. I look forward to impressions from others.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! CV #304005 04/30/10 06:35 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA I think it's actually about the cost of a single M80 (well, not counting the stand). I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304006 04/30/10 06:37 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA BTW, the physical dimensions are identical to the M80. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304007 04/30/10 06:37 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA Good call. I was only thinking about it in terms of cost versus the VP150, and the Owners Club preorder price makes it even more appealing.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304008 04/30/10 06:38 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida Does anybody know what the overall height of the VP180 on the stands are? Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304009 04/30/10 06:39 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Yes: FMSCC180 Specifications Dimens. (in.)(HxWxD) 18.5 x 10.5 x 11 Weight (lbs) 24 lbs Weight (kg) each 10.90 kg I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304010 04/30/10 06:39 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA It has magnetic grills. Wonder how soon this feature will be showing up on the other models. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304011 04/30/10 06:41 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida Ken is that the height of the stands alone or with the 180 in place? Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304013 04/30/10 06:48 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma  Quote: We all miss Mark ...but my aim is getting MUCH better. I am happy for all you guys with big, dedicated rooms. That thing requires quite an investment, size-wise. I'm holding out for the in-cabinet version. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! tomtuttle #304015 04/30/10 06:50 PM Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver P Potatohead aficionado Potatohead aficionado P Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver Need pictures please Is it a center channel, the size of an M80??

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304018 04/30/10 07:01 PM Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,471 Fredericksburg, Virginia medic8r axiomite medic8r axiomite Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,471 Fredericksburg, Virginia I'm tempted to order three for fronts and switch from a 1.85:1 screen to a 2.35:1 screen. Instead of a 16:9 screen with M80s on the sides of the screen, I could use the whole wall for screen with all speakers underneath. Thoughts? Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Potatohead #304019 04/30/10 07:03 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa SirQuack shareholder in the making SirQuack shareholder in the making Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350 AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! SirQuack #304020 04/30/10 07:03 PM Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver P Potatohead aficionado Potatohead aficionado P Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver Holy smokes

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Potatohead #304022 04/30/10 07:10 PM H htnut Unregistered htnut Unregistered H Sweet, this is what I've been waiting for. Just pulled the trigger but forgot about the stand. Is it adjustable or is it a custom height job?

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! #304024 04/30/10 07:13 PM Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,015 Milky Way Galaxy CatBrat axiomite CatBrat axiomite Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,015 Milky Way Galaxy Intewesting. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...amp;usp=sharing

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! #304025 04/30/10 07:13 PM Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver P Potatohead aficionado Potatohead aficionado P Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver  Originally Posted By: htnut Sweet, this is what I've been waiting for. Just pulled the trigger but forgot about the stand. Is it adjustable or is it a custom height job? I think you can specify how high you want the stand if the standard height doesn't suit your setup, I believe that is how the other stands work anyway, they are not adjustable.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! tomtuttle #304027 04/30/10 07:15 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida  Originally Posted By: tomtuttle I am happy for all you guys with big, dedicated rooms. That thing requires quite an investment, size-wise. I'm holding out for the in-cabinet version. If the VP180 cabinet size is exactly the same as an M80 it will fit like a glove on our TV stand. The opening in the stand where the current VP150 resides is 47"w x 9.75"h and the M80 cabinet is 40"h(VP180w) and 9.25"w(VP180h) ... Wango Tango! Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Potatohead #304032 04/30/10 07:27 PM H htnut Unregistered htnut Unregistered H  Originally Posted By: Potatohead  Originally Posted By: htnut Sweet, this is what I've been waiting for. Just pulled the trigger but forgot about the stand. Is it adjustable or is it a custom height job? I think you can specify how high you want the stand if the standard height doesn't suit your setup, I believe that is how the other stands work anyway, they are not adjustable. Thanks!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304034 04/30/10 07:29 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa SirQuack shareholder in the making SirQuack shareholder in the making Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa Tom, unless you build a custom wall, or your house is built with incorrect stud spacing, it is unlikely this, or even a 150 would fit. M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350 AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! #304036 04/30/10 07:31 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma Clean livin', Rick. Randy - I was trying to be funny, but also thinking for those people (like you, you lucky bastige) with dedicated rooms. Obviously, you'd have to frame the wall with the speaker in mind. But if you COULD do that - have in-cabinet versions of M80/VP180 across the front, that would be an amazingly capable and elegant solution. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! tomtuttle #304046 04/30/10 08:32 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Geeesh! you go to your neighbour's for a couple of hours to install some crown moulding and you miss the grand unveiling!! Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304048 04/30/10 08:38 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA  Originally Posted By: RickF Ken is that the height of the stands alone or with the 180 in place? That's pretty much the info I have. I assume it's the stands alone, but I'm not certain. I'll ask. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304051 04/30/10 08:49 PM Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,877 Tulsa, Oklahoma terzaghi connoisseur terzaghi connoisseur Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,877 Tulsa, Oklahoma I have never received an owners club email... need to find out why. -David

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! terzaghi #304054 04/30/10 08:51 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Send a note to Peter Bright. He fixed mine up. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304056 04/30/10 08:59 PM H htnut Unregistered htnut Unregistered H  Originally Posted By: kcarlile  Originally Posted By: RickF Ken is that the height of the stands alone or with the 180 in place? That's pretty much the info I have. I assume it's the stands alone, but I'm not certain. I'll ask. Is it a single stand? I ask only because the pic earlier looked either a lot wider than 10.5in or consisted of two stands. I wonder if centering 10.5in under a 40" speaker is stable enough?

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! #304058 04/30/10 09:01 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA The stand purchase gets you both stands. Last edited by kcarlile; 04/30/10 09:01 PM. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304059 04/30/10 09:03 PM Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,877 Tulsa, Oklahoma terzaghi connoisseur terzaghi connoisseur Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,877 Tulsa, Oklahoma Items now on my "post home purchase" wish list: VP180, EP800, 2 Channel Axiom Amp Any thoughts on running this in parallel with a vp150? -David

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! terzaghi #304060 04/30/10 09:13 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA I think your amp would probably die a horrible flaming death of deathiness. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304062 04/30/10 09:22 PM Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver P Potatohead aficionado Potatohead aficionado P Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver That sounds like fun

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Potatohead #304063 04/30/10 09:27 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA 4 Ohm VP180 + 6 Ohm VP150 = 2.4 Ohm flaming death in parallel. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304064 04/30/10 09:28 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA 'zactly. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304065 04/30/10 09:29 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa SirQuack shareholder in the making SirQuack shareholder in the making Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,840 Likes: 13 Iowa I bet a 1400-3 would do the trick. M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350 AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! SirQuack #304066 04/30/10 09:32 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Yeah, if you did the splitting before the amp, it would be fine. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304067 04/30/10 09:33 PM H htnut Unregistered htnut Unregistered H  Originally Posted By: kcarlile The stand purchase gets you both stands. Thanks! The wait is going to drive me nuts.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304069 04/30/10 09:34 PM Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,116 Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire BlueJays1 connoisseur BlueJays1 connoisseur Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,116 Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire  Originally Posted By: ClubNeon 4 Ohm VP180 + 6 Ohm VP150 = 2.4 Ohm flaming death in parallel. It would be a fun experiment with the Axiom amps and some other professional amps. I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo. -Max Payne

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304071 04/30/10 09:41 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida  Originally Posted By: ClubNeon 4 Ohm VP180 + 6 Ohm VP150 = 2.4 Ohm flaming death in parallel. I'm now running a VP150 and a VP100 in parallel for a 3.4 ohm load on my old trusty HK AVR635 ... what's another ohm! Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304072 04/30/10 09:45 PM Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,444 Likes: 16 Up yonder M michael_d connoisseur michael_d connoisseur M Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,444 Likes: 16 Up yonder  Originally Posted By: ClubNeon It has magnetic grills. Wonder how soon this feature will be showing up on the other models. Ken has made it his mission in life to get magnetic grills on all Axiom speakers.... I'm not allowed to say more at this point in time.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304081 04/30/10 10:27 PM Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,378 Fishers, Indiana, USA SRoode connoisseur SRoode connoisseur Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,378 Fishers, Indiana, USA  Originally Posted By: RickF  Originally Posted By: ClubNeon 4 Ohm VP180 + 6 Ohm VP150 = 2.4 Ohm flaming death in parallel. I'm now running a VP150 and a VP100 in parallel for a 3.4 ohm load on my old trusty HK AVR635 ... what's another ohm! About 40% more current in this case. Run em' in series! LFR1100 Actives,QS10HPx2,QS8x2,EP800,M3x4,M3x2 (Wood),M5HPx2 (Wood),AxiomAir,ADA1500-8,ADA1500-7

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #304083 04/30/10 10:29 PM Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,379 Likes: 7 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada bridgman axiomite bridgman axiomite Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,379 Likes: 7 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada  Originally Posted By: Ukiah they probably missed the mark on this one, time will tell. My first thought was "it's too damn big" -- it's certainly much bigger than anything I was expecting -- but I really think they nailed it with this one. The center channel sometimes gets almost as much content as both mains combined, which argues for the center channel being heftier than one of the mains. I see this as being a perfect match for my M60s Last edited by bridgman; 04/30/10 10:31 PM. M60ti, VP180, QS8, M2ti, EP500, PC-Plus 20-39 M5HP, M40ti, Sierra-1 LFR1100 active, ADA1500-4 and -8

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! bridgman #304097 04/30/10 10:51 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida RickF axiomite RickF axiomite Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,210 Vero Beach, Florida I agree with your assessment John, I believe Ian and the boys (and girls?) nailed it with this center. Rick Our Room

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304098 04/30/10 10:53 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma It's certainly consistent with Ian's other designs. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! tomtuttle #304110 05/01/10 12:20 AM Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona St_PatGuy axiomite St_PatGuy axiomite Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona Very cool news! Glad to hear Axiom is listening and responding to our demands suggestions. *********** "Nothin' up my sleeve. . ." --Bullwinkle J. Moose

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! St_PatGuy #304116 05/01/10 01:21 AM Joined: May 2002 Posts: 10,654 JohnK shareholder in the making JohnK shareholder in the making Joined: May 2002 Posts: 10,654 One of the more interesting aspects is the WTMMTW configuration, rather than TMWWMT, which would have more closely followed the VP150 precedent. Wonder if the extensive listening tests Alan mentioned will also result in a possible re-design of the VP150. ----------------------------------- Enjoy the music, not the equipment.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! JohnK #304126 05/01/10 01:59 AM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA From what I understand, the VP180 was designed the same way as the VP150: make prototypes with every possible configuration, and pick the one that sounded the best. So I wouldn't count on a redesign on the 150, although ya never know with Axiom. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! ClubNeon #304146 05/01/10 03:14 AM Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,236 Los Angeles spiffnme axiomite spiffnme axiomite Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,236 Los Angeles  Originally Posted By: ClubNeon It has magnetic grills. Wonder how soon this feature will be showing up on the other models. I recall suggesting magnetic grills a looooong time ago. It's a nifty feature.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! JohnK #304150 05/01/10 03:30 AM Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,379 Likes: 7 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada bridgman axiomite bridgman axiomite Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,379 Likes: 7 Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada  Originally Posted By: JohnK One of the more interesting aspects is the WTMMTW configuration, rather than TMWWMT, which would have more closely followed the VP150 precedent. It's better if you think of it as a TMMT configuration just like the VP150, but with a woofer tacked on at each end Seriously, after playing around with some calculations looking at the impact of comb filtering, if you buy into that, this configuration does seem like the best one. My very informal experiments suggested that comb filtering is most noticeable in the midrange, so you want those drivers closest together. The wavelength of the frequencies handled by the woofers is so long that even the widest separation doesn't seem to be a problem, leaving the tweeters in the middle. Last edited by bridgman; 05/01/10 03:32 AM. M60ti, VP180, QS8, M2ti, EP500, PC-Plus 20-39 M5HP, M40ti, Sierra-1 LFR1100 active, ADA1500-4 and -8

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! RickF #304280 05/01/10 05:02 PM Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,420 Calgary, Alberta J jakewash shareholder in the making jakewash shareholder in the making J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,420 Calgary, Alberta  Originally Posted By: RickF  Originally Posted By: ClubNeon 4 Ohm VP180 + 6 Ohm VP150 = 2.4 Ohm flaming death in parallel. I'm now running a VP150 and a VP100 in parallel for a 3.4 ohm load on my old trusty HK AVR635 ... what's another ohm! I have run my 3808 with 2 M22s and the VP150 as centers, no problems I will be ordering a VP180 soon as well, uhhh, not to add to the VP150 and M22 configuration, I think that just might kill the Denon. Is the VP180 ported? Nothing obviiously on the front, if not it must not have the same low FR as the M80. Jason M80 v2 VP160 v3 QS8 v2 PB13 Ultra Denon 3808 Samsung 85" Q70

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! jakewash #304285 05/01/10 05:06 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Yes, it has 3 ports on the back. I had to ask the same question... I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304293 05/01/10 05:14 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Not that it's very important, but are the binding posts in the middle or at one end? I'm thinking they might be offset, because the midrange woofers use a sealed tube/chambre, don't they? Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304296 05/01/10 05:15 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA bigjohn would be spoiled for choice. That's the right person, right? He was before my time.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! CV #304299 05/01/10 05:17 PM Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona St_PatGuy axiomite St_PatGuy axiomite Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona Your Axiom forum history is spot on, CV! *********** "Nothin' up my sleeve. . ." --Bullwinkle J. Moose

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! CV #304301 05/01/10 05:17 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island Yes. I was considering a BigJohn reference too. Or more about masturbation. ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! St_PatGuy #304302 05/01/10 05:18 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA I like that I totally deflated my comment with uncertainty.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! CV #304310 05/01/10 05:20 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Sorry Adrian, I have no idea about the positioning on the back. The only pic I've seen is the one you've seen. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304315 05/01/10 05:22 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island I'm sorry Ken. But that response just wasn't funny. ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #304322 05/01/10 05:26 PM Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona St_PatGuy axiomite St_PatGuy axiomite Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona Fail. *********** "Nothin' up my sleeve. . ." --Bullwinkle J. Moose

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! St_PatGuy #304329 05/01/10 05:31 PM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA Definitely not epic, though. Ken can't do anything right! Wait, I just turned into his wife.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! CV #304348 05/01/10 06:19 PM Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,786 Canada fredk axiomite fredk axiomite Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,786 Canada Ken has it all: more than 13000 posts, free Axiom gear, at least 3 wives... Fred ------- Blujays1: Spending Fred's money one bottle at a time, no two... Oh crap!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! fredk #304349 05/01/10 06:21 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Yeah, but 2 of them are real nags. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304352 05/01/10 06:33 PM Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona St_PatGuy axiomite St_PatGuy axiomite Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona Only 11 more for the win! *********** "Nothin' up my sleeve. . ." --Bullwinkle J. Moose

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! St_PatGuy #304361 05/01/10 08:22 PM Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,877 Tulsa, Oklahoma terzaghi connoisseur terzaghi connoisseur Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,877 Tulsa, Oklahoma 11 more wives? -David

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! St_PatGuy #304365 05/01/10 09:29 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island  Originally Posted By: St_PatGuy Only 11 more for the win! Really, THIS guy is the one to watch out for..... 3800 posts in 16 months! ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #304366 05/01/10 09:30 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island If he had registered on my date of registration, he would have ~25,000 posts today.... ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #304367 05/01/10 09:33 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. That's cuz your spending to much time stalking us. Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Adrian #304368 05/01/10 09:37 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island Oh, go finish painting that kitchen wall that you started, like, three months ago. Not that I like the new color anyway. ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #304370 05/01/10 09:40 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. What? You think the taupe is too dark? Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Adrian #304371 05/01/10 09:49 PM Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island MarkSJohnson OP shareholder in the making OP MarkSJohnson shareholder in the making Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,458 Rhode Island Taupe? I guess I should check the color accuracy of my telescope... ::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! MarkSJohnson #304372 05/01/10 09:54 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. It's hard to tell colours at night time. Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Adrian #304411 05/02/10 05:45 AM Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,420 Calgary, Alberta J jakewash shareholder in the making jakewash shareholder in the making J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,420 Calgary, Alberta I think Adrian is just a little behind what mojo was able to accomplish in his short time before how quit the forum. Jason M80 v2 VP160 v3 QS8 v2 PB13 Ultra Denon 3808 Samsung 85" Q70

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! jakewash #304415 05/02/10 06:12 AM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA C CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making CV Founder, Axiom Upgrade Club shareholder in the making C Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,077 Likes: 7 Richland, WA, USA That's insane. I feel like I post a lot, which I do, but I'm definitely outclassed.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304896 05/05/10 02:54 AM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario U Ukiah enthusiast Ukiah enthusiast U Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario It has nothing to do with being positive or negative, just realistic! Some people are like Slinky's, not much use however, when pushed down stairs, they make you smile.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #304897 05/05/10 02:56 AM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Right. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #304906 05/05/10 03:34 AM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario U Ukiah enthusiast Ukiah enthusiast U Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario Some members on this forum, for whatever reason, feel their opinion is the only one that really matters; people who have what I call “tin god complex”. My opinion of the VP180 design is based on what I've read in many reports on designing a good centre channel speaker. Axiom is not the only source of information Ken. In fact, Axiom is not even a reliable source of information; it’s kind of the Fox News of audio. Some people are like Slinky's, not much use however, when pushed down stairs, they make you smile.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #304913 05/05/10 04:13 AM Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,596 Likes: 1 Massachusetts Badlands BobKay connoisseur BobKay connoisseur Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,596 Likes: 1 Massachusetts Badlands  Originally Posted By: Ukiah Some members on this forum, for whatever reason, feel their opinion is the only one that really matters; people who have what I call “tin god complex”. My opinion of the VP180 design is based on what I've... Uke, dude: re-read your first sentence. Good. Now begin re-reading your second. "...so, like, enough about me. What do YOU think about my hair?" Always call the place you live a house. When you're old, everyone else will call it a home.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #304920 05/05/10 05:23 AM Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California pmbuko shareholder in the making pmbuko shareholder in the making Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California It's hard to say this without sounding like an Axiom apologist, but they are certainly aware of conventional wisdom regarding center channel design, have even experimented with such designs and driver layouts, and have ruled them out by subjecting them to blind listening tests against other, less conventional designs. This is how Axiom operates. In fact, the answer to the question "Why did Axiom design it this way when other companies do it that way?" is often "Because they found that way didn't stand up to this way in their tests."

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! pmbuko #304933 05/05/10 06:46 AM Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver P Potatohead aficionado Potatohead aficionado P Joined: May 2009 Posts: 670 Vancouver I don't know when "unconventional" started becoming "bad". So many people spend so much time looking at specs and paper stats (especially people who frequent online, or purchasing online) and don't think about that maybe, the guy who designed the thing just might know what he is doing, or might have tested it a thousand times and found no discernable difference? If it's "worse" on paper but nobody can hear it, who cares? I work in the tire industry and it's like when someone asks why such and such a tire doesn't have such and such a tread design, which perhaps they prefer, and is a very frequently asked question. I usually say it's because they guy with the engineering degree from Harvard says this is better .

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Potatohead #304935 05/05/10 07:48 AM Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,569 Nirvana grunt connoisseur grunt connoisseur Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,569 Nirvana The military must not hire those Harvard engineers. 3M80 2M22 6QS8 2M2 1EP500 Sony BDP-S590 Panny-7000 Onkyo-3007 Carada-134 Xbox Buttkicker AS-EQ1

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! grunt #304952 05/05/10 02:02 PM Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,116 Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire BlueJays1 connoisseur BlueJays1 connoisseur Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,116 Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire It would be interesting if Axiom ever thought about using the same driver configuration as the M80 with the exception of using just 1 tweeter. Now it would certainly have a lower power handling than the M80's but it would be a good idea for a double blind test. Or try a WMTMW design compared to the VP150 model for the middle priced center channel option. I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo. -Max Payne

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Potatohead #304953 05/05/10 02:17 PM Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,444 Likes: 16 Up yonder M michael_d connoisseur michael_d connoisseur M Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,444 Likes: 16 Up yonder  Originally Posted By: Potatohead I don't know when "unconventional" started becoming "bad". About 1890, if you believed Edison and his cronies.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! michael_d #304955 05/05/10 02:36 PM Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California pmbuko shareholder in the making pmbuko shareholder in the making Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California ...and speaking of Tesla, this edition of Drunk History is hilarious and informative. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T5gQHa2pq4

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! pmbuko #305029 05/06/10 12:45 AM Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona St_PatGuy axiomite St_PatGuy axiomite Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,463 Likes: 1 Glendale, Arizona I'm glad YouTube doesn't have a smell application. *********** "Nothin' up my sleeve. . ." --Bullwinkle J. Moose

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! BobKay #305044 05/06/10 02:26 AM Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario U Ukiah enthusiast Ukiah enthusiast U Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 38 Niagara Region, Ontario Uke, dude: re-read your first sentence. Good. Now begin re-reading your second. "...so, like, enough about me. What do YOU think about my hair?" Dude, what's your point? Re-read my first sentence! why, nobody will explain it to you? and about your hair, I think YOU look like a Ken doll Bobby. Last edited by Ukiah; 05/06/10 02:29 AM. Reason: is Bobby will understand the post Some people are like Slinky's, not much use however, when pushed down stairs, they make you smile.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ukiah #305050 05/06/10 02:38 AM Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,116 Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire BlueJays1 connoisseur BlueJays1 connoisseur Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,116 Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire Never heard of the phrase "tin god" before. Learn something new everyday! I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo. -Max Payne

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! BlueJays1 #305063 05/06/10 03:06 AM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Is that the same as the not-so-well-known "God of Tin" from Scandinavian legend? Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Adrian #305139 05/06/10 06:57 PM Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,471 Fredericksburg, Virginia medic8r axiomite medic8r axiomite Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,471 Fredericksburg, Virginia Yeah, he makes thunder by shaking a big sheet of tin. He only does it when Thor's not around for fear of being upstaged by, well, real lightning and thunder from Mjolnir. Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! medic8r #305150 05/06/10 08:18 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Oh. I think some people confuse him with the North American Indian God of Flatulent Thunder.....Tah Kobel. Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Adrian #305151 05/06/10 08:25 PM Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,471 Fredericksburg, Virginia medic8r axiomite medic8r axiomite Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,471 Fredericksburg, Virginia My wife refuses to eat at, as she calls it, Toxic Hell. I enjoyed their Double Decker tacos when they were a buck and a half, or less. I got sticker shock last weekend when I went in and saw them at 2.79 - what the --?! Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! medic8r #305152 05/06/10 08:32 PM Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Adrian axiomite Adrian axiomite Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,928 It's all about the location. Even getting a heart attack has gotten more expensive. Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! BlueJays1 #305154 05/06/10 08:45 PM H htnut Unregistered htnut Unregistered H  Originally Posted By: Dr.House Never heard of the phrase "tin god" before. Learn something new everyday! Probably a nostalgic reference to the Wizard of Oz.

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! #305160 05/06/10 09:17 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C shareholder in the making Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Oh, I've heard it before. Not usually how I think of myself around here, I usually go more with "emperor with no clothes" or perhaps CAO. Chief Annoying Officer I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: Newsletter: VP180!!!! Ken.C #305176 05/06/10 11:44 PM H htnut Unregistered htnut Unregistered H CAO hardly seems fitting. No comment on the Emperor title.