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Re: Load times
CV #306821 05/17/10 02:09 AM
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I have both the Oppo BDP-80 and Sony 60GB PS3 that support SACD.

If you do not intent to use the analog out of the Oppo, The BDP-80 would be a very good player. And the PS3 is pretty fast as well and the HDMI handshake issue from the PS3 are lesser with my Marantz SR6003. Only thing that is the PS3 does not do bit streaming of HD-Audio.

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mpyw #306840 05/17/10 06:19 AM
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The whole 3D revolution thing is really pissing me off. Not that I'm obsessed with 3D by any means, just by the fact that I had JUST went out and spent $3000 bucks purchasing my 65 inch Sharp because I'd seen everything else on the market... the Plasma's, the LED's, the 240 HZ LCD's... and I was fairly confident that I wasn't missing out on anything by going with this 60 HZ LCD. And then a few months later I find out they're changing the industry over to 3D... AARRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was the same way when I bought my Denon, it had so many features I never thought I'd ever have to replace it. Then a year later HDMI took over and suddenly I was no longer up to date technology wise. I do like 3D movies. I can live without them, but I do like them. And no I'm not so dense that I think I could have bought a 65 inch 3D television for anywhere near what I paid for mine. Hell 65 inch 3D tv's will probably start around $12,000 bucks or so in the beginning. New technology always costs a fortune.

I guess what it all boils down to is that when I bought this tv I really thought I was set for the next decade or two, EASY! And now, IF 3D catches on as much as they're hoping it will, I'll be missing out on future television shows an the like that will be broadcast in 3D. Sure when HDMI first came out they just touted it as being 'an easier connection' than separate component video and optical audio wires. But now, if you don't have HDMI technology, you miss out on a lot of options. So while they aren't touting that 3D will be the new television standard, who knows what will happen with it.

And I thought my television shopping days were over! \:\(


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Re: Load times
Micah #306846 05/17/10 07:54 AM
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Here are some sample load times from the beta test period for the BDP-83:

http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-83-faq.html#how-fast-are-the-load-times

OTOH my experience with some disks like the re-mastered original Star Trek’s take their sweet time.

 Originally Posted By: kcarlile

How about the older Oppos? I'm not jumping on the BD bandwagon just yet--I don't think they'd work all that impressively with a 27" CRT--so I was toying with the idea of a used Oppo something or other. I don't really need a changer any more, since it's all on the GASP iPods...



I have an Oppo 981HD. The load time from power up and insuring a disk to the first screen is about 20 sec, power up with disk already inside to first screen is about 15 sec and already powered on with try open to first screen with new disk is about 10 sec. seems the same for all disks. I’ve put well over 3,000 disks into mine and still haven’t broken it (it’s my burn tester I use to chapter through my DVD copies to check that they play. BTW it also plays old VCDs if you have any of those. ;\)

I think it’s the BDP-83 but it might also be the 981HD there is a slight delay on playing the first track of an some audio CD or maybe SACDs. It truncates the first few notes of the first track unless. You have to hit the chapter back button to hear those restart from the beginning (I think it’s the BDP-83 that does this but shows you how much I notice I can’t remember).

The 981HD was the early player optimized for video playback while one of the other players (I don’t remember which) was optimized for audio playback. Not sure if there was really a big difference.


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Re: Load times
mpyw #306861 05/17/10 01:59 PM
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 Originally Posted By: mpyw
If you do not intent to use the analog out of the Oppo, The BDP-80 would be a very good player.

I'll add a second parameter to that statement. The other big feature of the 83 over the 80 is it's video processor. So if you're only going to be watching Blu-rays, with digital audio out, then the 80 may be your better bet. But if you're still viewing a lot of DVDs, the 83's video processor is a big deal.


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ClubNeon #306866 05/17/10 03:02 PM
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 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
The other big feature of the 83 over the 80 is it's video processor. So if you're only going to be watching Blu-rays, with digital audio out, then the 80 may be your better bet. But if you're still viewing a lot of DVDs, the 83's video processor is a big deal.


Spoken by a man who admittedly isn't even interested in the 83... Now that's class!


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Re: Load times
Micah #306885 05/17/10 04:40 PM
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I want to know how the PS3 and Oppo handle the layer break on regular DVD's? My current BDP1600 is terrible, it freezes on most DVDs. It works fine with BR's of course, no layer break. I had an old Sony DVD that did this freeze up all the time and I returned it because of it. My wife hates the new 1600. I told her I want to get the Oppo but if it has layer break issues I will get the PS3, I beleive it has no issues, at least no one appears to be complaining about it if it does. I have yet to try the recently added Xbox360 as the main DVD player.


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Re: Load times
jakewash #306886 05/17/10 04:46 PM
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Jay,
I have the Oppo. I don't even notice the breaks on regular DVDs and they are very minimal if at all on BD. Additionally the Upconverstion on standard DVDs is superb. All the hoopla about the extended version LOTR on BD - I wouldn't bother as the Oppo does such a good job upconverting, I don't plan to replace existing DVDs in my collection.

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Argon #306894 05/17/10 05:06 PM
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I always wondered what caused this occasional pause during DVD playback. My Sony was miserable with this problem. My Panasonic BD30 does this occasionally, but in much shorter duration.

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jakewash #306900 05/17/10 05:28 PM
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
I want to know how the PS3 and Oppo handle the layer break on regular DVD's? My current BDP1600 is terrible, it freezes on most DVDs. It works fine with BR's of course, no layer break. I had an old Sony DVD that did this freeze up all the time and I returned it because of it. My wife hates the new 1600. I told her I want to get the Oppo but if it has layer break issues I will get the PS3, I beleive it has no issues, at least no one appears to be complaining about it if it does. I have yet to try the recently added Xbox360 as the main DVD player.


From the same link I posted above:

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How fast are the layer changes?
On DVD, it is reported that the Avia Pro layer change stress test shows a time of 0.8 seconds. This is the worst case; real world examples should be quicker. In my own viewing I can sometimes detect a DVD layer change, but it is too quick to estimate the time.
By way of comparison, using the same test, the PS3 (V2.50 firmware) shows 1.2 seconds and the Pioneer Elite DV-59avi SD-DVD player shows 2.0 seconds


http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-83-faq.html#how-fast-are-the-layer-changes

I have never seen a layer change on any disk on any of my Oppos but then I’m not sitting there looking for them either.


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Re: Load times
grunt #306902 05/17/10 05:35 PM
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As they pointed out, that Avia disc is really abusive with it's layer change. No studio would ever author a disc in that manor.

That said, I've never noticed a layer change, at all, on my PS3. Where as unless it was on a black screen I'd be completely taken out of the moment when my Pioneer Elite DV-79AVi changed.


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