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You're right that it outputs as "Stereo" now, but my Integra won't do anything with it. It won't allow a surround mode. I don't know what's special about this stereo mode, since I can obviously apply the surround modes to the stereo signals from both my OPPO and WD TV Live.
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The upconversion of that Denon won't be able to compete with the Oppo bpd-83. Fact or speculation? I think that all of us are just speculating since the Denon isn't released yet. But, think about this. How can the entry level Denon have more features that the Oppo BDP83 come in at a lower price. Oppo is an internet direct company with low profit margins and Denon has to sell this player to someone else who then sells it to you. Whenever somebody gets their hands on a product, they want to get their fair share. Denon has to be cutting corners somewhere and the most expensive part is the scaling. The difference in price between the Oppo BDP80 and BDP83 is a little over $200. The big difference between the two is the scaling and the BDP80 has a pretty good scaler (I think it is the same scaler as the Oppo DV-980H dvd player). If you are still not convinced, thing about this. The Oppo BDP83 is neck and neck with the Denon DVD-A1UDCI flagship universal blu-ray player over HDMI in terms of video processing, video performance and even audio performance. The Oppo even has much better load times of blu-ray's. The flagship Denon retails for $4500. Yes, a good portion of that $4500 went to beefing up the analog audio section, but do you think that less than a year later they would take all of that digital and audio performance a stuff it and extra features into an entry level player? Not unless their sole purpose was to put Oppo out of business regardless of whether they are taking a big loss on each player sold.
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Very good point nickborous on watching out for corners being cut. It will be a wait and see approach. On the other hand the Oppo BDP83 is known not skimp on quality or performance. So much in fact according to the wonderful work over at audioholics, Lexicon dropped a Oppo BDP83 player into their own chasis and charges a $3000 premium for it! http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/trans...xicon-outside-1
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Lexicon dropped a Oppo BDP83 player into their own chasis and charges a $3000 premium for it! Yeah, but what chassis!
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Nobody has mentioned Denon's other new Universal player, the 2011, that has all the streaming features of their entry level player, combined with the Anchor Bay processors, for $799. So even if the scaling of the little unit isn't up to snuff, and therefore a deal breaker for those on the market for a Universal player, they still have a viable option on the table. Yes Oppo has established itself as a reputable company with the BDP83, however I think the Denon name still draws more respect. So for $300 dollars more it seems to have everything (7.1 analog out section as well) the Oppo unit has, plus all those new streaming features. I think it will be hard to overlook all that when deciding which to get. Sounds like Oppo has a 'New' Universal player to build! 
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Lexicon dropped a Oppo BDP83 player into their own chasis and charges a $3000 premium for it! Yeah, but what chassis! $2500 dollar chassis eh? Is it made out of solid plutonium or something? I don't think I would want to spend $3k on a player that had been 'dropped' anyway. 
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I would think the Denon player would support FLAC just as their receivers do.
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The upconversion of that Denon won't be able to compete with the Oppo bpd-83. Fact or speculation? I think that all of us are just speculating since the Denon isn't released yet. But, think about this. How can the entry level Denon have more features that the Oppo BDP83 come in at a lower price. Oppo is an internet direct company with low profit margins and Denon has to sell this player to someone else who then sells it to you. Whenever somebody gets their hands on a product, they want to get their fair share. Denon has to be cutting corners somewhere and the most expensive part is the scaling. The difference in price between the Oppo BDP80 and BDP83 is a little over $200. The big difference between the two is the scaling and the BDP80 has a pretty good scaler (I think it is the same scaler as the Oppo DV-980H dvd player). If you are still not convinced, thing about this. The Oppo BDP83 is neck and neck with the Denon DVD-A1UDCI flagship universal blu-ray player over HDMI in terms of video processing, video performance and even audio performance. The Oppo even has much better load times of blu-ray's. The flagship Denon retails for $4500. Yes, a good portion of that $4500 went to beefing up the analog audio section, but do you think that less than a year later they would take all of that digital and audio performance a stuff it and extra features into an entry level player? Not unless their sole purpose was to put Oppo out of business regardless of whether they are taking a big loss on each player sold. Those were my thoughts as well, just wondering if you actually had inside info or something
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Oppo is an internet direct company with low profit margins and Denon has to sell this player to someone else who then sells it to you. You realize you can purchase OPPO products from places like Amazon.com and Audioholics, right? I'm sure they're not selling it and making zero money themselves.
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The flagship Denon retails for $4500. Yes, a good portion of that $4500 went to beefing up the analog audio section, but do you think that less than a year later they would take all of that digital and audio performance a stuff it and extra features into an entry level player? Not unless their sole purpose was to put Oppo out of business regardless of whether they are taking a big loss on each player sold. I can only guess as to their reasoning, but I would think they suckered about as many people as they're going to with that $4500 unit. I'm sure they can still turn a profit with their new entry level player without it being a total piece of garbage. Lesser analog section and video scaling than the OPPO? They simply put their emphasis on UI instead. At least I'm hoping. Now if only they would release a more realistically priced pre-pro that has newer features.
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