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#308213 - 05/26/10 09:47 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: fredk]
FrankeeD Offline
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Fred. This system is for music only. I have a separate set-up in the family room for watching TV/movies.

I considered the M80s, but as my amp is currently fairly low-end, I don't think it will handle the 4 Ohms resistance in the M80s. I don't want to have to replace my amp just yet.

I enjoy feeling the rumble of the low end of a pipe organ, so that's one reason that I'm considering a sub.

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#308216 - 05/26/10 10:16 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: FrankeeD]
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Frankee, as I mentioned in my reply above to Lee, pipe organ is an area where the sub is really a major factor. Since you specifically mention that, I'd suggest that you might consider a more powerful sub with more extension than the EP175. If your budget doesn't permit going higher up in the Axiom selections, there are other possibilities, such as the excellent Hsu unit that Lee mentions, that would fit your needs.
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#308217 - 05/26/10 10:21 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: JohnK]
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I agree completely with John. My EP350 is not as capable as his EP500 but it still gets me to ~20Hz and has a major impact with pipe organ music. In fact, that was one of the reasons I wanted a sub.

Unless you are both sitting far away from the speakers AND like to listen very loud, the M22 + sub will be an excellent combination.

I had the pleasure of comparing the M22 + sub directly to the M60 and was surprised at how close the two sounded: almost identical above the sub-bass region.

I think that the M80 has something extra to offer, but if it were a choice between the M80 and an M22 + capable sub, I would go with the M22 + sub.
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#308218 - 05/26/10 10:23 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: JohnK]
FrankeeD Offline
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So John, would you recommend something like the EP350 for organ music? (I realize the EP800 would come closest to a real pipe organ, but I might have a little difficulty convincing my wife that it's essential . . . )

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#308219 - 05/26/10 10:26 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: FrankeeD]
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FrankeeD. I have not had the pleasure of listening to a real quality pipe organ, but I find pipe organ music with the EP350 very satisfying.
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#308220 - 05/26/10 10:31 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: FrankeeD]
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Yes; budgetary factors are almost always a consideration, but going up to at least the EP350 performance level would be highly desirable.
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#308222 - 05/26/10 11:10 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: JohnK]
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A large pipe organ in a spacious acoustic can be literally moving. I took my wife to a concert when she was pregnant and after a few minutes she started feeling strange and our as yet unborn son started going nuts, so she had to leave.

Pipe organ music has been a hard sell at home ever since \:\(

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#308223 - 05/26/10 11:17 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: FrankeeD]
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Yeah, but maybe now the kid's already acquired a taste for good music. When someone suggests to me that classical music is an "acquired taste", I tell them that I apparently acquired it a few months before I was born.
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#308262 - 05/27/10 11:58 AM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: FrankeeD]
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Hi FrankeeD,

I'm one of the few out there who really likes pipe-organ music, including big Wurlitzer theater pipe organs (my parents took me to Radio City Music Hall when I was six and when I heard the big pipe organ there, I kind of "imprinted" on the sound).

Anyway, one of the CDs I use for my blind listening tests up at the Axiom plant is a pipe-organ disc with lots of deep pedal notes. I assure you that the EP350 subwoofer does a fine job of excavating those deep pipes with lots of output.

During tests of the prototype, I wrote down that the EP350 had "excellent deep bass with pipe organ, almost the equal of the [what turned out to be the EP500]".

If you are interested, the CD in question is "The Transcriber's Art" on Gothic (a small California label that only records pipe organs). It is the Yale College chapel organ played by Thomas Murray.

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#308336 - 05/27/10 07:17 PM Re: EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60 [Re: alan]
fredk Offline
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During tests of the prototype, I wrote down that the EP350 had "excellent deep bass with pipe organ, almost the equal of the [what turned out to be the EP500]".

I cetainly don't have any complaints about the EP350, but I've wondered about that.

I do believe I will put that pipe organ disc on my shopping list.
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