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EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo vs M60
#307891 05/24/10 02:07 AM
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I'm considering replacing my current speakers, a pair of 15 year-old Denons, one of which has developed a buzz in its tweeter.

I'm wondering if any of you have advice on whether I'd be better going with EP175 Subwoofer & M22 combo or M60 towers? The cost is similar, but I'm wondering about differences in how they sound.

I listen mostly to classical music, with some jazz and pop mixed in.

Thanks.

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FrankeeD #307893 05/24/10 02:16 AM
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Frankee, welcome. My own listening is almost entirely classical and I'd give the highest recommendation to the M22 plus sub option. Above the lowest bass the performance should be essentially identical, but the sub would allow for a little more bass extension than the M60 alone would have.


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FrankeeD #307943 05/24/10 03:24 PM
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Hi FrankeeD,

There are a few factors to consider. Your room dimension, its shape, seating arrangement, music/movie preferences, musical or movie usage and amplifier to name a few. There is also personal sound preference.

If you mostly listen to the music genre mentioned and have a powerful amplifier; I would opt for the M60v2 without hesiation. It has plenty of high quality bass to compleent its impeccable delivery of the rest of the frequency spectrum.


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In my experience M22/sub is pretty close in sound quality to M80 and the M60s are not far behind, but as you are looking at the EP175 which doesn't reach as low as the EP350 and higher subs, I bet the M22/EP175 would sound very similar to M60s.

As JC mentioned, consider your size of room and more importantly the listening distance. The M60s will play louder than the M22s and this could be required for loud listening volumes if your room is large; also you would need about 18" of floor space for the M60s as they need to be at least ~2" away for the ports to breath properly.


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JC: I too have a question as I have been agonizing for over a year about this issue. I too listen to classical music. I have considered all options and have just about decided on the M60's (I don't like the extra expense for the M22 stands and I just like the look of the M60's and "feel" they would better integrate the frequency spectrum). I have about 2000 cu ft of space and the room is a rectangle with a up-sloping ceiling from 9-16 ft. I'll be sitting about 12 feet from the speakers and they will be aligned along the longer wall of the rectangle and I be be sitting just opposite the speakers. I am thinking that to get the maximum lows I'll use a sub as well...one that goes down to 18Hz should cover it and the sub may be used for an HT some day (Hsu VTF-2 MK3?). My present Speakerlab sub (circa 1979) goes down to about 25Hz. You mentioned a powerful amp...what do you consider powerful? I'm considering a Denon 2310 or 3310 or something similar. Any suggestions for other options? Please, all feel free to comment as well. Regards...Lee

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Hi Guys.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Half the fun of new purchases is deciding what to buy and getting good advice.

Right now I'm leaning towards getting the M60s, partly because the M22s on stands wouldn't fit into the décor of the living room as well as the floor-standing M60s. I'd still have the option of adding a sub if I felt I needed more bass and would rather put my money towards a sub rather than stands for the M22s.

My room is about 2600 cu ft and I should have enough space to get the M60s far enough from the wall.

I'll let you know what I finally decide.

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 Originally Posted By: Captain4105
JC: I too have a question as I have been agonizing for over a year about this issue. I too listen to classical music. I have considered all options and have just about decided on the M60's (I don't like the extra expense for the M22 stands and I just like the look of the M60's and "feel" they would better integrate the frequency spectrum). I have about 2000 cu ft of space and the room is a rectangle with a up-sloping ceiling from 9-16 ft. I'll be sitting about 12 feet from the speakers and they will be aligned along the longer wall of the rectangle and I be be sitting just opposite the speakers. I am thinking that to get the maximum lows I'll use a sub as well...one that goes down to 18Hz should cover it and the sub may be used for an HT some day (Hsu VTF-2 MK3?). My present Speakerlab sub (circa 1979) goes down to about 25Hz. You mentioned a powerful amp...what do you consider powerful? I'm considering a Denon 2310 or 3310 or something similar. Any suggestions for other options? Please, all feel free to comment as well. Regards...Lee


Lee,
Without hesitation, I would opt for the M60v2. You have plenty of room volume to let them breath and to push them hard. I, like you, am reluctant to spend money on a speaker stand. I can't see the benfit of a bookshelf speaker on a stand versus a floor standing model except for miniscule enclosed room and even then.

Always invest as much as your budget will allow you to in a high quality powerful amplifier; you will be well rewarded. Your Axiom speakers will perform better; you will be well rewarded. I received so many comments from Axiom speaker owners who are amazed at the improvement they are getting from their Axiom speakers when they upgrade their electronics. In their system, their speakers never are the limiting factor.


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Lee, get the 3310 as it has amp preouts you can use to add external amps should you find the 3310's own amp sections insufficient.


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FrankeeD. Are you using this system for movies as well? If this system is for music only and you are considering running without a sub, move up to the M80. The M80 delivers noticeably more bass. So much so, that on a lot of music, I can't hear any difference between just the M80 and the M80 + sub. Where the difference starts to show is stuff like Pipe organ where you get significant content in the 20-35Hz range.

The M80 also has a subtly better mid/upper range. They give music a more open sound: just a little closer to the real thing.

If you watch movies a lot as well, a sub will make a big difference for those movies that have a lot of content at 35Hz and below.


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Lee, if you listen at times to classical music that has substantial very low bass content(e.g.,pipe organ)you'll find that a good sub, such as the one that you mentioned, is of great benefit. Again, I've found that the M22/EP500 combination is excellent for such music. The cost of stands can run anywhere between zero(if you use something already available)to $1,000, but suitable ones are readily available for around $40 and this shouldn't be a major factor in your purchase decision.

As to the receiver, the 2310 would be a fine choice, and I'd suggest that the Onkyo 707 also could be considered. Because of the general excellence of modern HT receivers, amplification is an area where an emphasis on low cost can be implemented without affecting overall system performance.


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