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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
elsewhere #312478 06/28/10 11:24 PM
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I am limited by depth in my home theater setup. So I am looking at getting the on wall M22's and VP150 (I wanted to make the jump to M60's or M80's, but they are too deep). What if I used 2 On wall VP 150's placed vertically on sides for my front L and R? Would I get any benefit over using the M22's on the sides?

If I understand this thread correctly, as long as I have a good sub, the On wall M22's should sound just as good as the bookshelf versions?

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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
AndrewSW #312480 06/28/10 11:28 PM
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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
CatBrat #312482 06/28/10 11:33 PM
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Actually, I have a gripe with the on-wall M22's. I have the bookshelf and the on-wall versions. I have plenty of good things to say about the bookshelf, but so far, with the on-walls, only a lot of adjusting on the AVR to come up with anything close to what the bookshelf version sounds like without any success.

Does this make the on-wall M22 a "bad" speaker? No, just a very different sounding speaker. There is more brightness and less bass. Some of the bass can be added back in if you don't use any lower cut off with a cross over, but it's still not the same. What would help is a sub that can go upwards over 150 hz perhaps to fill in the missing upper bass. Or, my suggestion would be to re-design the on-wall M22 to have a bigger cabinet. Thicker mainly and perhaps a tad taller.

As to using a vertical speaker horizontally, or a horizontal speaker vertically, I think you would be defeating the purpose of how that speaker was designed, resulting in sonic differences. (or actually I think that would be dispersion differences.)

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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
CatBrat #312741 06/29/10 10:36 PM
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I don't think the W22 cabinet needs to be any bigger, although I'm not arguing that from a physics standpoint... It's just that it's a pretty big hunk of wood hanging out from the wall already. The speaker also has 10.5" of woofer, although not having done high school math in over a decade I can't tell you that would equate to in a single driver (about 7" I would guess). Compare that to your typical bookshelf or in wall speaker, or even satellite.

I don't think anybody has ever stated they go as deep as the standard model, but I disagree they do not go low enough to integrate properly with a sub, especially for music. With movies they don't hit you in the chest like a big floorstander would, but I don't believe the M22's do either.

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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
Potatohead #312748 06/29/10 11:02 PM
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Okay so the multiple VP150s idea doesn't sound like a good option. Potatohead thank you for your input. Did you have M22 bookshelf speakers before the On Wall M22s?

Anyone else out there own the On wall M22's that have an opinion? The On Wall M22 is perfect (size wise) for what I'm looking for, I just don't want to give up any sound quality that I am used to from my Bookshelf M22s.


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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
AndrewSW #312753 06/29/10 11:30 PM
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I believe that Potatohead has on-wall/in-wall M22's which go lower than the on-wall M22's do.

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The only thing you give up with the on wall is the extreme lower end, which makes sense as the cabinet volume is what allows the drivers to output lower. Like Alan usually says, these are 2 similarily good speakers. I would be very surprisd if you found anything other than that lacking from the On wall vs the bookshelf model without A/Bing them to hear the differences.


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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
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Originally Posted By: CatBrat
I believe that Potatohead has on-wall/in-wall M22's which go lower than the on-wall M22's do.


Correct, I have the IW/OW, which I guess used to be knows as the W22. In all honesty in my previous response I forgot the new on wall only version even existed, so my findings may be a bit skewed... I have not heard the newest version.

Re: On wall M22 (W22)
AndrewSW #312821 06/30/10 12:55 PM
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Andrew, I have the W22 and W150 (in/on wall) same as Potatohead. I also inquired about multiple 150's with Axiom when I was piecing together my system. In short, the 150's are designed to be horizontally mounted and do not reach as low as the 22's so are not recommended for L & R channel use. In fact if you could have a vertically mounted 22 for the center that would be the best bet - 3 identical speakers across the front - that's just not practical for 95% of us.

FWIW my in/on wall W22's do play down to 80Hz easily (I have verified with test tones and SPL measures) and integrate very well with my EP500 sub.


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Re: On wall M22 (W22)
cb919 #313253 07/03/10 05:30 PM
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So if you were to use 3 M22's on the front, what height would you want to put the center? If it's the same height as the other two, it'd be behind the T.V. I assume that's not optimum.


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