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#313540 - 07/06/10 10:51 PM VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100???
nickbuol Offline
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My wife's biggest complaint with our home theater has always been center speaker audibility. I've made things better with little tweaks here and there, changing placement above to below the screen, etc.

So then the monster VP180 comes out.

How would a single VP180 compare to say two VP150s with one above and one below a front projector screen? Previous discussions were about how a center above and below helped to get center channel audio to seem more like it is smack dab in the middle of the large screen.

I know that the driver configuration is different, but is the sound field large enough on the VP180 to do something similar and to nail the center channel audio to the center of the screen?

With me still trying to sell our house, I am not going to go out and buy something until we get moved in, but when I look at houses to buy, and I visualize what V4.0 of my home theater is going to be, I just wonder if I need to make sure that there is height for 2 center channels or not.

Obviously cost is a factor as well. I can keep my VP150 and just add another of even a VP100 for less than trading up to a VP180. Thoughts? Experiences from those who went to the VP180?

Thanks!
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#313543 - 07/06/10 11:06 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: nickbuol]
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I think RickF did this experiment already, and greatly preferred a single VP180.
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#313544 - 07/06/10 11:09 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: tomtuttle]
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Yes, he used to have VP150 + VP100 and from his comments the VP180 alone is far superior.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=310902&page=3



Edited by bdpf (07/06/10 11:10 PM)
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#313545 - 07/06/10 11:10 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: nickbuol]
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
How would a single VP180 compare to say two VP150s with one above and one below a front projector screen?


Well, it's bigger than two VP150s grin

Originally Posted By: nickbuol
Previous discussions were about how a center above and below helped to get center channel audio to seem more like it is smack dab in the middle of the large screen. I know that the driver configuration is different, but is the sound field large enough on the VP180 to do something similar and to nail the center channel audio to the center of the screen?


I replaced a VP100 with the VP180. If you accept that you can visualize a sound bubble from a speaker the bubble from the VP100 was maybe 4' wide and 18" high, while the corresponding bubble from VP180 was maybe 6' wide and 3' high. I felt that dialog was now very closely anchored to heads on the screen, maybe 6" below rather than 12-18" below before. Rather than going for a second center channel to make it perfect, I'm going to raise the M60s a couple of feet off the ground. Informal testing with chairs suggests that will be enough to make the voices and the heads line up perfectly.


Edited by bridgman (07/06/10 11:11 PM)
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#313579 - 07/07/10 07:57 AM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: bridgman]
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Dang it! That isn't what I wanted to hear... crazy
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#313594 - 07/07/10 11:11 AM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: nickbuol]
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I don't have any experience with two centre speakers, but the VP180 does a great job IMHO. I've never felt like the the audio was misplaced in any way.

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#313613 - 07/07/10 12:26 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: ]
tomtuttle Offline
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Sell the VP150 and get a VP180. That's probably cheaper than buying "another" speaker and you don't have to allow for mounting two center channels. It's a win.
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#313618 - 07/07/10 12:44 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: tomtuttle]
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Nick I went from a 100 above/150 below our screen (73") to a single 180 below and in my estimation there's just no comparison. John has a very good analogy with the bubble description and the only thing that I might add is that in addition to the sound bubble, you are also going to an exacting tonal and timbre match with the 180 ... it really does make a difference.
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#313670 - 07/07/10 06:29 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: RickF]
nickbuol Offline
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Crap crap crap!!!! Guys!!!! You aren't helping!!!! I should have never asked... Now I will always have sub-par center channel sound until I get a VP180!!! (or at least I will always think that I am missing out)

Crappity crap crap crap!!!


(maybe I should sell all of my Axioms with my house and just buy M80 fronts, a VP180 center, and 4 QS8s for the new place. that will work, until the M100 comes out, and the QS12's... Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.....)


Edited by nickbuol (07/07/10 06:30 PM)
Edit Reason: added items in parenthesis
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#313675 - 07/07/10 06:38 PM Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100??? [Re: nickbuol]
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yeah thanks Rick. smile
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