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I'm helping my sister with putting together a complete system sans display. The budget is 2K. Her room is small to medium but she does like it loud at times.
So far I have come up with; Onkyo 607 receiver, Panasonic BD65 bluray player, cables from Monoprice. For speakers, Axiom M22 fronts, VP100, and QS4s. For a sub it's going to be an eD A3-250 or a Hsu STF-2. Stands for the fronts will be coming from eD.
This comes in just a tad over budget. Any suggestions are welcomed.
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Sounds good to me! Are you going to be stand mounting the m22's?
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Yes she will be using stands for the fronts.
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Sounds like a great set up. What is she going to use for a display?
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Are you using the FO, Rick? maybe it will bring it within budget.
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have you considered an Axiom 350?
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have you considered an Axiom 350? No.
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Are you using the FO, Rick? maybe it will bring it within budget. I have but I doubt she would have the patience.
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I have but I doubt she would have the patients. Is she a Doctor?
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I drove by a supermarket yesterday with a sign that LOL cheese was on sale. Took me a few seconds.
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Oh. I didn't know they made cheese. My favorite commodity, BTW.
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You know. With the totally Caucasian kneeling "Indian" woman on the label. And when you were a kid, you could cut a rectangular hole in the picture at her chest and replace it with a cutout picture of her knees.
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They just told me I can no longer have cheese unless I have my gall bladder removed. I told them that, for a pizza, I'd sign up for a heart-lung transplant.
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Now THIS is a derailment, fer shuah!
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Now THIS is a derailment, fer shuah! Not even close. That heart/lung transplant is sure to blow the 2k budget.  See, back on topic. Scott
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I have been looking at other manufacturers too.
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Now THIS is a derailment, fer shuah! Not even close. That heart/lung transplant is sure to blow the 2k budget. See, back on topic. Scott And his sister could do it for you!
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Checking out an Ascend system I could save a few hundred and stay under the 2K budget. The package system from SVS is looking good too.
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OK, piss on the advise. Have fun fellas.
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Rick, have you looked into the Owners Club, you may be able to find something in what you are looking for in some premium finishes for the same price.
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Checking out an Ascend system I could save a few hundred and stay under the 2K budget. The package system from SVS is looking good too.
Wid, the Ascend speakers are terrific. The CMB-170 is extremely neutral moreso than the M22. Look at this 3rd party measurement. You could do 3 of these with the QS4's and the ED Sub and it would be a pretty amazing setup for the price. http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/ascend_cbm170/You will also find unsmoothed on and off axis as well as spectral decay measurements on their website. And they are very good for its price class.
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Dearest Wid, As I sit here this afternoon, I am listening to Jimi's sweet guitars mellow joy over my ears. As sung by my beloved axioms. So I just came back and visited the Axiom Forums as a way to invigorate my boyish nostalgia of the great times I have had with these guys. Then I read your thread. Funny, I have the exact same set up as the one you originally proposed. M22's, VP100, QS4's, STF-2 and all. The receiver is different, but it's just all just a black box anyways. The HSU STF-2. Ahh. This thing has served me well. Loud, proud, just awesome. Everyone thinks it's some weird mini fridge at first. It acts as an under the desk footspace hog but also a nifty munchies desk and footrest. Doesn't work too well if food is already ON the "desk" when you use it as a footrest. Had that happen a few times. One day when moving I popped in the dust cap. Sad day. The dust cap un-popping surgery was successful, however. The QS4's are a pretty good choice. For me, I could throw one in my backpack when moving into my dorm. They could be dropped once or twice (after being improperly held as a football) and still work well. They can donate organs (such as tweeters) to other speakers and still spray wonderful surround all over your room. But, I don't sense those things as being relevant here. In my heads-up comparison with my dad's QS8's and the QS4's, it's pretty obvious. QS8's are just WAY clearer. A shame, but the truth. However, the QS4's look like the most bitchin' pieces of sound equipment ever when the grills are taken off. They just look MEAN. So for that reason, I wouldn't stray from that choice. Get the QS4's. The VP100. This thing is clear as day. It makes sense, because it is a M22, just sideways and a little confused. No brainer here. There are little circles of gook where the tiny silicone feet used to be on the bottom. That's my only complaint. The M22's are a fabulous choice. I also made the choice of affixing the large QS wall bumpers to the bottom of the M22's. Lovely lady in axiom support sent them to me for free. These speakers are loud, clear, and pelt out tunes like it's nobody's business. In my regret, I tried to consider other floorstanders and bookshelves, but in the apple of my eye, the M22's were there. Man, we've been through a lot. The whole darn system has been through a lot. Into dorm rooms and out (x4), into apartements and my home and now in Florida. Needless to say the cardboard Axiom speaker boxes are held together by duct tape. They've hosted beer pizza parties, failed second dates, mental trips to the end of the universe and back, late night jam outs, Boondock Saints drinking nights, nights where the housing director calls and asks if you felt the apartment rumbling last night (wasn't me!?!), and pretty much my whole life. Wow. The bolts holding the woofers and tweeters are starting to rust. I can't take on or off the grills without the rubber grommets coming out of the speaker housing in an odd, gooey clump. There's a finger nail indent on one of the woofers when I got too curious. One of my M22 tweeters fizzled and died (donated from QS4 then free replacement from axiom  ). Once, I dropped my entire metal loft on top of my left M22 freshman year. Has a pretty ugly gash on the top of it. What a story these friends tell. Soon they may take a permanent trip with me out West. I've got duct tape in hand. Point is that my Axiom setup has been there in my life and in my memories. Who'd want to pass up on that? But I hear you're reconsidering?! I was going to say a little speech starting with, "So wid, don't just do it for me. Do it for you. And...". Somewhere I'd incorporate "Axiom Spirit". But really, the Axiom Spirit is about helping each other in a weird sort of family, all about...speakers. Odd. I guess that's why I popped in to say hello. It really doesn't matter what the brand is, it's the music, movies, and people you enjoy with them. If a brand switch is needed, I've personally heard from one person that they are happy with their Ascends. They are a great value! You could always drop the VP100 and do a 4 channel Axiom system (everyone would pretend to be happier with your decision then). Hope you can put a system together that will create some memories, much like I've had. Goodbye and Goodnight. Hope everyone is doing well. - Dan
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Welcome back, Dan! Stay awhile.
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Nice hearing from ya Dan. I went over to her apartment to see how things would fit, the QS4s are out of the question. They don't want to hang any speakers on the wall and the QS stands are stupid expensive. So now I'm thinking of the M22s, VP100 and the M2s for surrounds. I was thinking of 4 M3s but after talking to Ed, he thought the clarity of the M22s would serve her better than the M3s, sounds good to me.
So this is looking like the leader of the pack so far. Not sure on the sub yet. Looking at the Hsu and eD right now. I guess I should consider SVS also.
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Good to see you, Dan. **** The CMB-170 is extremely neutral moreso than the M22 The Ascends get good reviews, as do the M22. Have you heard both? How exactly are you quantifying "neutral"? How do those graphs SOUND anyway? I perceive many negative absolutes among your posts regarding Axiom products. Nobody thinks Axiom is the be-all, end-all, but it would be refreshing to see you throw "I think..." or "IMO" in there once in a while, or cite your sources, or explain your experiences rather than just assert "is" repeatedly.
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Good to see you, Dan. **** The CMB-170 is extremely neutral moreso than the M22 The Ascends get good reviews, as do the M22. Have you heard both? How exactly are you quantifying "neutral"? How do those graphs SOUND anyway? I perceive many negative absolutes among your posts regarding Axiom products. Nobody thinks Axiom is the be-all, end-all, but it would be refreshing to see you throw "I think..." or "IMO" in there once in a while, or cite your sources, or explain your experiences rather than just assert "is" repeatedly. I am speaking from an objective standpoint so it is not appropriate to state IMO. Here are the graphs and plots I am talking about below. The 3rd party measurements for the CBM-170 that were measured by the National Research Council are in my above post. You can compare those to the 3rd party measurements of the M22 conducted by the NRC and published by soundstage as well. This is how you can quantify "neutral" with on and off axis measurements as well as waterfall plots. Measurements below. http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170meas.htmlhttp://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/ascend_cbm170/http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/axiom_m22ti_se/This is the frequency response of the M22 V3 that is supplied on the website. http://www.axiomaudio.com/gallery_m22ti_diagram.htmlI am not saying the M22 is worse. You seem to be making false accusations. Conveniently you take a portion of my post and quote it out of context. Shame on you. I also recommend the QS4 as the surround speakers if he choose that route. Somebody asked for an opinion and help on a purchasing decision on another manufacturer and I gave him some advice. I am not blinded by absolute fanboyism. If that makes you angry well I can't help that. In the end its subjective to the end user. Objectively, the 170 is the more neutral loudspeaker. Some people might not prefer a neutral speaker but it is the best starting point and that is the strongest aspect of Ascend speakers.
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I remember getting caught in the middle of a piddling match over these speakers vs the M22.
The gentleman who was a proponent of the Ascends touted their flat response and said despariging things about the M22. Along comes someone else, who apparently saw something in the graphs and pointed out that he saw significant issues in the Ascend speaker: distortion and some crossover issues.
The point(s)? You can tell a lot from speaker measurements... IF you know what you are looking at. These are old measurements and I bet that Ascend has improved their speakers just as Axiom has. They are porbably similarly good to the M22.
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The Ascends and the M22s have long been thought to be on the same plane. I remember when we had a big Ascend guy on the forums. He was great.
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Here are some other 3rd party analysis for the CBM-170 (non professional review). I can't find any for the M22 (non review) except those from that snowboarding guy which I wont even bother posting because I find it to be a conflict of interest because it was a competitor that was doing the measurements. http://www.linaeum.com/productinfo/other/ascend_cbm170se/
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I'll just say "hi" to Dan.
Come around once in awhile, will 'ya? Did you see that we're having a get-together in September?
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After Dean's review of the M2's being similarily good as the M22, I would suggest M2's all around even for a center if she can fit in.
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Barkeep. M2s all around if you please...
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Rick, for the receiver I'll again suggest the 707 refurb from Accessories4less for about $400.
If the QSs are definitely out, then yeah, the M22s plus M2s. For the center, phantom, M2 or VP100.
Under the budget with the phantom, otherwise just about at it.
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After Dean's review of the M2's being similarily good as the M22, I would suggest M2's all around even for a center if she can fit in. What Jay said!
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I remember when we had a big Ascend guy on the forums. He was great. Really? nobody going to comment on this one?
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I remember when we had a big Ascend guy on the forums. He was great. Really? nobody going to comment on this one? They have ascended above that by now.
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There was no foul on the play. Dr. Horse offered his suggestion of an alternative manufacturer (which he felt was a similarly good speaker) AFTER Wid mentioned he would also consider other manufacturers. I didn't see anything offensive in his recommendation personally. Had House's post been the very first response in this thread before anyone had made recommendations for this speaker or that speaker then I may also have called into question his patronage. But in this case he was really only giving information that had been requested. Also he didn't state that he felt the Ascends sounded 'better' than the M22's, only that tests show that they give an even flatter response than the Axioms. All in all I didn't feel he was discrediting the M22's or Axiom at all. Only giving his recommendation for a cheaper alternative. 
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Look, Micah, I have no problem with people loving their speakers regardless of brand or price. I have no problem with people explaining their experiences. I don't even care about people shopping on the internet for perceived value.
My concern continues to be with assertion of objectivity when comparing the Ascend with the M22 based solely on third party graphs that are 7-8 years old.
But I guess I'll just take my shame and go sit in the corner now.
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I did post measurements from each manufacturers website as well. You did not read them? Are you telling me Axiom and Ascend are promoting 8 year old measurements of their speakers on their websites when each have claimed to make improvements over time? Wouldn't it reflect in quantative/objective measurements?
My real concern is the act of spewing disinformation by sniping portions of posts with blatantly false accusations.
Sadly, this forum is becoming a place where you can't even help a individual with a specific question about a different manufacturer, share different opinions without being attacked by fanboys, accused of being negative or having agendas when it does not toe the company line. What a shame.
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Just so we're clear... You haven't heard both speakers in the same room, right? And you accept manufacturer data as objective? And you think your original post was of sufficient complexity that the quote wasn't in context? And you think I accused you of something besides asserting a facts of "objective neutrality" when it might have been more appropriate to offer an opinion? And you see fit to generalize about "the forum" when I seem to be the only one trying to hold you accountable? And you think I'm a fanboy? Does that about cover it? No need to get the popcorn fredk. I am respectfully bowing out gracefully from the forum. Too late.
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Just so we're clear... You haven't heard both speakers in the same room, right? And you accept manufacturer data as objective? And you think your original post was of sufficient complexity that the quote wasn't in context? And you think I accused you of something besides asserting a facts of "objective neutrality" when it might have been more appropriate to offer an opinion? And you see fit to generalize about "the forum" when I seem to be the only one trying to hold you accountable? And you think I'm a fanboy? Does that about cover it? No need to get the popcorn fredk. I am respectfully bowing out gracefully from the forum. Too late. You are not holding me accountable of anything. Did you read the post to my response to Wid about his question on Ascend and SVS speakers? You certainly didn't quote it? You then responded with an attack and nothing else. And it was a bad attack at that because it makes you look like a fool. Tomtuttle, your responses and the way portray yourself in this thread are typical of someone suffering from a chronic case of fanboyism. Man up boy. You should be apologizing to Wid for saturating his thread with your nonsense and making it rather unproductive. This threads purpose is to find wid a great $2000 dollar setup isn't?
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Man up, Boy?
I think the very fact that you posted that shows what the problem has been... on this thread and others: You have an axe to grind because of the whole V3 thing, and you've had an attitude since. You're just taking any chance you can to put in a little dig here, and a little dig there, and it's getting old.
I'll only speak for myself here, but that's MY problem with you of late.
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Dr.House, you're fighting a losing battle here. I suggest you take a deep breath and relax before you further embarrass yourself.
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You should be looking at yourselves first before you make those types of comments on other posters.
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Dr.House, you're fighting a losing battle here. I suggest you take a deep breath and relax before you further embarrass yourself. Sorry, I have nothing to be embarrassed about.
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Yeah...it's not you.... it's everyone else.
We all met a couple of months ago and all agreed to annoy you.
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And actually, I WILL apologize to WID for the derailment. I've never heard the Ascends, but have heard good things about them. Whether they're "better" is up to the user, but certainly they might be a viable option.
Sorry, Rick.
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Sorry, I have nothing to be embarrassed about. Well, for one, your assertion that tomtuttle is a fanboy is ridiculous. It's without merit. Baseless. Seems to me you can't have an debate/discussion/argument with someone without blowing up at them. You're antagonistic, yet you claim that you're the one being antagonized. That's why I suggested you take a deep breath. Your passion has taken hold of your capacity for reason and turned you into a troll. It's not too late, man! Turn it around!
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Sorry, I have nothing to be embarrassed about. Well, for one, your assertion that tomtuttle is a fanboy is ridiculous. It's without merit. Baseless. Seems to me you can't have an debate/discussion/argument with someone without blowing up at them. You're antagonistic, yet you claim that you're the one being antagonized. That's why I suggested you take a deep breath. Your passion has taken hold of your capacity for reason and turned you into a troll. It's not too late, man! Turn it around! Haha, a troll, now that is funny.
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Seems to me it usually takes more than one person to argue. Well I argue with myself all the time but then I’m weird.
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Yeah, but which side of you wins, Dean? 
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Nice going, Wid, look at what you stirred up (j/k!). Seriously, though, maybe it's because I'm new to all of this but I wasn't offended by Dr. House's initial post. Now back to the regularly scheduled program...
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Nice going, Wid, look at what you stirred up (j/k!). Seriously, though, maybe it's because I'm new to all of this but I wasn't offended by Dr. House's initial post. Now back to the regularly scheduled program... Thanks htnut. All it is, was a response to a question Wid specifically asked for. I also recommended an Axiom product - the QS4 in that exact same response if he were to choose another manufacturer. I stand by the fact that it is/was great advice.
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Guys, if you go back a few pages, Rick mentioned he was looking at other manufacturers too, including Ascend. Just as other subs are mentioned here, I don't think it's wrong to bring up other brands esp when the original poster asks for other alternatives. Imo, there's been some misunderstanding here.
Of course, if someone starts recommending Bose, we may need to sedate them.
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I think this forum has ALWAYS been great about recommending other brands. It's one of the things that sets members apart as non-fanboys and sets Axiom apart for their willingness to let these forums remain so un-moderated.
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I agree Mark. That's why I think there's some kind of misunderstanding here...or have I missed something?
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Guys, if you go back a few pages, Rick mentioned he was looking at other manufacturers too, including Ascend. Just as other subs are mentioned here, I don't think it's wrong to bring up other brands esp when the original poster asks for other alternatives. Imo, there's been some misunderstanding here.
Of course, if someone starts recommending Bose, we may need to sedate them. I have been a member here for almost 2 years now and have said nothing but great things about Axiom products, the company and the people. Now these individuals contention is since I don't agree with how Version 3 has been handled I have some sort of agenda against Axiom and that I am spreading negativity. It is absurd and find it do be VERY disappointing.
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Well, to be frank, maybe I just see your glass as half empty since the V3 thing but, yes, I feel like you're just carrying anger and are here to keep taking jabs.
And my personal opinion is: though there IS great freedom of speech on these forums, it always strikes me as a bit tacky to take advantage of that freedom of speech to just keep taking jabs at your hosts.
That's not fanboyism, that's just treating someone with respect in their house.
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And besides, it bugs me that I can't figure out what your SIG line means!
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Seems to me it usually takes more than one person to argue. Well I argue with myself all the time but then I’m weird. You're absolutely right. And, I would add, when you (Dean) have engaged other posters in debates/arguments, you have done so in a constructive, healthy way, IMHO. God, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse here. Arguing is not inherently evil. A well-made argument can enlighten people. If a person is in the right and can persuade others of that fact, then, of course, a well-played argument serves a purpose. But endless arguing on audio boards is madness. So much of what we're talking about is subjective, for crying out loud. Who can win such arguments? And if you do "win" the argument, at what cost? One last thing. Does anyone else think the "fanboy" card is being inappropriately overplayed?
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Well, to be frank, maybe I just see your glass as half empty since the V3 thing but, yes, I feel like you're just carrying anger and are here to keep taking jabs.
And my personal opinion is: though there IS great freedom of speech on these forums, it always strikes me as a bit tacky to take advantage of that freedom of speech to just keep taking jabs at your hosts.
That's not fanboyism, that's just treating someone with respect in their house. Nope, no anger. To say I am disappointed right now is an understatement. I agree one of the best things about this company is that this forum goes unmoderated. It speaks volumes. IMO, I think it is also healthy that Axiom receives customer feedback - both positive and negative whether it is experiences or opinions. And by the fact they DO NOT censor their forum I think they realize that as well.
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Does anyone else think the "fanboy" card is being inappropriately overplayed? I do. I would have got rid of it and tried for a straight.
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Back on topic. What I have decided on is the Ascend CMT-340 SE mains, CMT-340-SE center and the HTM-200 SE for rears. They are running a special on this combo right now. For the sub it's going to be the eD A3-250.
You fellas can have the thread back now.
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Back on topic. What I have decided on is the Ascend CMT-340 SE mains, CMT-340-SE center and the HTM-200 SE for rears. They are running a special on this combo right now. For the sub it's going to be the eD A3-250.
You fellas can have the thread back now.
Wid, this is YOUR thread. I am sorry that it progressed the way it did and I can tell you it was not my intention, I just wanted to offer you some help. Congratulations on your purchases btw!
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Rick, sounds like a good purchase, now we'll be waiting to hear what you think about the Ascends.
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No big deal, don't worry about it. One change to the system; I'm selling her my A3-300 and just put an order in for the A5-350
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Rick, sounds like a good purchase, now we'll be waiting to hear what you think about the Ascends. I'm looking forward to hearing them too.
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Sounds like a winner for both you and your sister. Congrats on the purchase. Looking forward to your impression of the Ascends.
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Very curious to hear what an Axiomite has to say about those speakers! I've been curious about them for a long time.
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Ya know, I was seriously going to get the Axioms until I ran into this deal. The package that was picked out was even cheaper than what the Axiom system was.
I'm positive she would have been thrilled with the Axioms and I could have gotten a referral from the deal. Bottom line; I was looking out for her best interest and the Ascend package imo bested what Axiom could offer at a lower price.
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I'm curious about your impressions as well!
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Wid, congrats on the purchase. Do an A/B and tell us what you think . I don't think everyone in this thread read the end of my little nostalgic adventure of my Axioms, but who doesn't love the spirit of joisting, eh? Ahh, beer.
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Glad to hear you got a good deal, Rick. I apologize to you for the turn this thread took. I look forward to hearing how you and she like the Ascends. Several people that I respect who have heard or owned them reviewed them very favorably. Glad you didn't get the CMB-170's, though. I think they are fugly!
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No worries Tom. I wasn't to excited about the CMBs looks either.
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Aww, the sales over I wanted to know the prices they were selling them for.
Rick, I hope your sister likes them and I too am looking forward to your thoughts about them.
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Dr. House, are you complaining about the Axiom enforcers? The police for the preservation of audio virtue and defense against vice, i.e., the claque of quacking flacks who espouse the orthodox party line - all solid state amps sound the same*, all speaker wire and interconnects sound the same, all receivers sound the same, and Axiom speakers are the best. Now, personally, except for a pair of giant Thiels and a pair of magnificent (modified) Dahlquist DQM 905s, all of my speakers are Axioms or made by Axiom. I like Axioms. I have long complained that Axiom is standing still with their speaker designs and permitting the competition to catch up. These observations were not well received by our in house mutaween but, holy samolies, here come the V3s. I purchased a pair of Axiom M3V3s. I was looking forward to hearing the new tweeter, and the new 6.5" driver and checking out the magnetic grills. After all, the Axiom website informs us that the new M3s driver and tweeter result in improved sound quality. Imagine my surprise when I unwrapped my new M3V3s and saw the same old black-eyed-pea 6.5" driver and the same old plug in grill covers. I noticed that the cabinet plaque on the back identified these as M3V2s. I called and emailed. I don’t think I got M3V3s I said. "You don't like them?" was the inappropriate response delivered in a particularly dismissive and arrogant manner. I asked about my speakers, are they M3V3s or not? Yes, I was told, you got the M3V3s just the old cabinet without the magnetic latches. What about the V2 plaque? Same story. What about the 6.5" black eye pea drivers? They're the same as the new ones I was told. How can I tell if I have the new tweeter. Just check the serial number I was told. Now, don't get me wrong. These M3s in glossy cherry are beautiful and they sound great. Do I have the strong feeling that I have a pair of beautiful and great sounding M3V2s instead of the new M3V3s? I sure do. As to the vaunted Axiom customer service, I can say there is a profound difference between dealing with Noreen, Amie or Joe (MHRIP) as I did in years past, and the new crowd. No comparison. Anyway, Dr. House. Some things change, and not always for the better. As to the enforcers, some things stay the same, not always for the better. I did post measurements from each manufacturers website as well. You did not read them? Are you telling me Axiom and Ascend are promoting 8 year old measurements of their speakers on their websites when each have claimed to make improvements over time? Wouldn't it reflect in quantative/objective measurements?
My real concern is the act of spewing disinformation by sniping portions of posts with blatantly false accusations.
Sadly, this forum is becoming a place where you can't even help a individual with a specific question about a different manufacturer, share different opinions without being attacked by fanboys, accused of being negative or having agendas when it does not toe the company line. What a shame.
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No big deal, don't worry about it. One change to the system; I'm selling her my A3-300 and just put an order in for the A5-350 Cuz the neighbours haven't complained yet?
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I purchased a pair of Axiom M3V3s. I was looking forward to hearing the new tweeter, and the new 6.5" driver and checking out the magnetic grills. After all, the Axiom website informs us that the new M3s driver and tweeter result in improved sound quality.
Imagine my surprise when I unwrapped my new M3V3s and saw the same old black-eyed-pea 6.5" driver and the same old plug in grill covers. I noticed that the cabinet plaque on the back identified these as M3V2s. I called and emailed. I don’t think I got M3V3s I said. "You don't like them?" was the inappropriate response delivered in a particularly dismissive and arrogant manner.
I asked about my speakers, are they M3V3s or not? Yes, I was told, you got the M3V3s just the old cabinet without the magnetic latches. What about the V2 plaque? Same story. What about the 6.5" black eye pea drivers? They're the same as the new ones I was told.
How can I tell if I have the new tweeter. Just check the serial number I was told.
Now, don't get me wrong. These M3s in glossy cherry are beautiful and they sound great.
Do I have the strong feeling that I have a pair of beautiful and great sounding M3V2s instead of the new M3V3s? I sure do.
As to the vaunted Axiom customer service, I can say there is a profound difference between dealing with Noreen, Amie or Joe (MHRIP) as I did in years past, and the new crowd. No comparison.
Anyway, Dr. House. Some things change, and not always for the better. As to the enforcers, some things stay the same, not always for the better. Do not get frustrated, I got also a couple of non very scientific answers from Axiom Audio advisors not long ago, while inquiring about their subs (to the point that I ended buying a Velodyne) even from one of their engineers. Later on I got a more coherent answer, at least not absurd, but still with a completelly wrong approach...I let the issue go, as I was assuming the same you did, where have all the good times gone!!! So now the drivers are the same just with a different dust-cap? Is that what you were told, so there is no improvement on the drivers, AFAIK there was nothing wrong with the old dust-caps... Sorry guys but the more I read here about them, the more I'm inclined to believe that the V3 was just s cosmetic side movement, rather than a true improvement, but we still need to hear them and not from a fanboy...
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I asked about my speakers, are they M3V3s or not? Yes, I was told, you got the M3V3s just the old cabinet without the magnetic latches. What about the V2 plaque? Same story. What about the 6.5" black eye pea drivers? They're the same as the new ones I was told. What was the resolution to all of this? I certainly wouldn't have kept any speakers with remnants of v2 if I thought I was getting v3. That would really annoy me.
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The v2 vs v3 distinction has been gone over multiple times on this forum. It is NOT a hard cutoff. The designations are a distraction, unfortunately, that refer more to the time that the speaker was constructed than to which components it has.
2x6, you have a speaker with v3 components (including a v3 tweeter) before the white dust caps and magnetic grilles were rolled into production. You know better than to imply Axiom is trying to pull a fast one on you. If they were that kind of company, I doubt you'd be a customer.
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I asked about my speakers, are they M3V3s or not? Yes, I was told, you got the M3V3s just the old cabinet without the magnetic latches. What about the V2 plaque? Same story. What about the 6.5" black eye pea drivers? They're the same as the new ones I was told. What was the resolution to all of this? I certainly wouldn't have kept any speakers with remnants of v2 if I thought I was getting v3. That would really annoy me. Yes, CV, I kept them because I bought them as part of my sub $1,000 stereo system and I had a hard deadline for installation in my friend's house. BUT, I am not happy about this and in my opinion this situation was not handled very well at all. As to pmb's comment, pMB, you may know very well what I got, but I sure don't. While there may not be a "hard" distinction between M3V2s and M3V3s, it seems to me there are 4 distinguishing characteristics: 1. new drivers with white dust covers, 2. new cabinets with magnetic latches for grill overs; 3. new tweeter, 4. Plaque which indicates V3. My V3s have black dustcovers, so I have no reason to believe they are the new woofers, the cabinet lacks the magnetic latches and has a plaque indicating they are M3V2s and the tweeter looks pretty much dentical to my M22s. I think I'm pretty deep into the V2 range of your soft cut-off. However, I don't think the matter was handled in a straightforward manner. In fact, it was handled so poorly that I do question whether my M3s have any V3 in them whatsoever. Trust is everything and the bullet proof straightforwardness that characterized all my dealings with Amie, Joe V. and Noreen just isn't there with Brent or Jean Claude. Previously it was just a matter of ignoring Alan Lofft. Now, I must say my confidence and trust are shaken.
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Minor tweaks to the performance over time I can understand, but cosmetic and functional changes that are considered part of the launch of v3 should be on product being sold as v3.
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Yeah, but which side of you wins, Dean?
Don’t think I’m joking. I learned a long time ago that no one in their right mind messes with a crazy person so I walk around work all the time having verbal arguments with myself. No one ever makes fun of me, I wonder why. . . . Actually one person, my carpool buddy does make fun of me but then she’s crazy too. Just the other day I asked her what it was that finally made her decide to start talking with me one day and she said it was because she saw me talking to myself and realized I was “weird” like her.
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Seems to me it usually takes more than one person to argue. Well I argue with myself all the time but then I’m weird. You're absolutely right. And, I would add, when you (Dean) have engaged other posters in debates/arguments, you have done so in a constructive, healthy way, IMHO. God, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse here. Arguing is not inherently evil. A well-made argument can enlighten people. If a person is in the right and can persuade others of that fact, then, of course, a well-played argument serves a purpose. But endless arguing on audio boards is madness. So much of what we're talking about is subjective, for crying out loud. Who can win such arguments? And if you do "win" the argument, at what cost? One last thing. Does anyone else think the "fanboy" card is being inappropriately overplayed? Thanks Doc. I will have to admit to taking a shot at some people now and then but if I do rest assured there is a teaching point behind it, usually involving holding up a mirror to said individual. That comment is also usually my parting shot since once the personal attacks start there’s usually no going back. So I “win” my side of those arguments by not clicking the “submit” button on that topic anymore. They other guy can have the last word since It’s not that important to me. You are absolutely correct that arguments can be constructive but IMO only when they don’t devolve down to the personal level. When the discussion becomes about the people having the argument and not the subject at hand it’s time to end it since it’s value is gone. Cheers, Dean
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Back on topic. What I have decided on is the Ascend CMT-340 SE mains, CMT-340-SE center and the HTM-200 SE for rears. They are running a special on this combo right now. For the sub it's going to be the eD A3-250.
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Just the other day I asked her what it was that finally made her decide to start talking with me one day and she said it was because she saw me talking to myself and realized I was “weird” like her.
Really, it was the matching "Welcome Back, Kotter" lunch boxes they had. I don't know why I picked that show?
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Made me laugh. Sprayed diet orange on my monitor. Wiped it off. Very good SPG. Thank you.
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I have been a member here for almost 2 years now and have said nothing but great things about Axiom products, the company and the people. Now these individuals contention is since I don't agree with how Version 3 has been handled I have some sort of agenda against Axiom and that I am spreading negativity. It is absurd and find it do be VERY disappointing.
I also found it disappointing but as forums go the response was fairly mild. I’ve been called (mostly by implication) incompetent, undereducated and well I guess just plane stupid for not towing the company line on a certain speaker, EQ and DSP system. Oh well, I’m pretty sure I’ll sleep ok tonight. I expected to get a few undies in a bundle when I comment on the M80v3 review but not quite as much as happened. Unfortunately things on the internet are far to easily take out of context when the nuances of the about 80% of human communication we lose in this medium are missing. IMO having varying opinions makes this forum stronger as it helps guard against groupthink.
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Really, it was the matching "Welcome Back, Kotter" lunch boxes they had.
I don't know why I picked that show?
Truth is stranger than fiction. . . . Actually it was the matching generic Walmart sour cream containers we brought lunch in because we’re both to cheap to buy real Tupperware.
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I completely agree with that, CV. If you're buying a v3, then it should look like a v3, too.
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You are absolutely correct that arguments can be constructive but IMO only when they don’t devolve down to the personal level. When the discussion becomes about the people having the argument and not the subject at hand it’s time to end it since its value is gone. Agreed, 100%. I've often thought that another factor at play is the relative anonymity of the message board format. It's much harder for an argument to devolve to the personal level when you've met someone and broken bread (or tipped a few) with him. ((Also, it's easier to misinterpret someone's typewritten posts than it is their spoken word. Nuance and inflection are often lost in the written format.)) - jinx, I typed this before reading your last post. Great minds think alike, eh? Now, where's my lunchbox? 
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Also, it's easier to misinterpret someone's typewritten posts than it is their spoken word. Nuance and inflection are often lost in the written format. Absolutely. I can't tell you how many times I've been caught out by that. It's worse when it's with your spouse...
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Did you actually order and buy V3's or were they V2's? Your timeline does not match. Did you not order / buy them before the V3 announcement? Now, if you did in fact order / buy V3's and the M3's you received are V2's, I would be pissed as hell and would send them back COD. However, if you bought V2's, and you received V2's, but are pissed because they don't have the label, V3 driver and magnetic grills, well, you bought V2's and to call them V3's is a misrepresentation.
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Did you actually order and buy V3's or were they V2's? Your timeline does not match. Did you not order / buy them before the V3 announcement? Now, if you did in fact order / buy V3's and the M3's you received are V2's, I would be pissed as hell and would send them back COD. However, if you bought V2's, and you received V2's, but are pissed because they don't have the label, V3 driver and magnetic grills, well, you bought V2's and to call them V3's is a misrepresentation. I started the process before the V3s were announced. For more than a month, I called Jean Claude every couple of days asking if they had any real wood finish M3s in Factory Outlet since I was buying these speakers for a friend's system and wanted to keep the cost down. Jean Claude would laugh and say "no." Finally, after more than a month of this, Brent picked up the phone and told me that real wood finishes were never offered through the FO. I was put off a bit and wondered why Jean Claude never told me that instead of chuckling at all my inquiries. Brent told me to take a look at custom vinyl finishes which I did. The high gloss cherry looked very good. By that time the V3s had come out so I asked if they could make my M3s V3s with high gloss cherry finish. Sure, I was told. I was very much looking forward to getting a pair of M3V3s. So, in answer to your question, michael, yes, I actually ordered M3V3s, no question. I don't think there is anything in my posts which would suggest that I ordered anything other than a pair of M3V3s. Michael aren’t you one of the guys on the Axiom customer council? Why are you suggesting that I misrepresented what happened here? Did you receive a call or PM from someone at Axiom or one of your co customer council members who suggested to you that I purchased V2s instead of V3s? Because if someone told you that, you’ve been misinformed. AS to your suggestion that I am misrepresenting what happened here, where do you get off making such an accusation against me? If you want me to post my exchange of emails with Axiom over this matter I’ll do it, however, I think they’ll come out looking even worse. In the meantime, I'll now count you among the Axiom clean up squad. I hope this shameless spinning and blaming the customer isn't the kind of customer service we should expect from Axiom now on.
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However, I don't think the matter was handled in a straightforward manner. In fact, it was handled so poorly that I do question whether my M3s have any V3 in them whatsoever.
Trust is everything and the bullet proof straightforwardness that characterized all my dealings with Amie, Joe V. and Noreen just isn't there with Brent or Jean Claude. Previously it was just a matter of ignoring Alan Lofft. Now, I must say my confidence and trust are shaken.
Hi 2x6' I worked with Joe V. for a period of time which was way too short. I learned alot from Joe and I'm still admiring the man he was. I also learned a great deal from Amie C. she was very patient, supporting and encouraging. Noreen who is still a key actor at Axiom; she is always there for me - she is my idol. These three exceptional persons are a very though act to follow. Despites my efforts, I know that I cannot be their equal but not many persons who I know could be. You bought a pair of M3 speakers which were sold to you as M3v2 which I understand can be disappointing when a newer verison is only introduced a few days later. Axiom which, is a customer oriented company like I never seen, migrates its products incrementally to a new version to minimize the frustration of its clientèle. As Brent and I wrote you, yours were missing the magnet grilles and the white dust caps. For sure, they could not be identified as v3 which would have been false representation. I do understand your frustration but sonically your M3 are v3.
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However, I don't think the matter was handled in a straightforward manner. In fact, it was handled so poorly that I do question whether my M3s have any V3 in them whatsoever.
Trust is everything and the bullet proof straightforwardness that characterized all my dealings with Amie, Joe V. and Noreen just isn't there with Brent or Jean Claude. Previously it was just a matter of ignoring Alan Lofft. Now, I must say my confidence and trust are shaken.
Hi 2x6' I worked with Joe V. for a period of time which was way too short. I learned alot from Joe and I'm still admiring the man he was. I also learned a great deal from Amie C. she was very patient, supporting and encouraging. Noreen who is still a key actor at Axiom; she is always there for me - she is my idol. These three exceptional persons are a very though act to follow. Despites my efforts, I know that I cannot be their equal but not many persons who I know could be. You bought a pair of M3 speakers which were sold to you as M3v2 which I understand can be disappointing when a newer verison is only introduced a few days later. Axiom which, is a customer oriented company like I never seen, migrates its products incrementally to a new version to minimize the frustration of its clientèle. As Brent and I wrote you, yours were missing the magnet grilles and the white dust caps. For sure, they could not be identified as v3 which would have been false representation. I do understand your frustration but sonically your M3 are v3. Really?!? JC, let me give you a bit of advice. Integrity is everything! It is the firm foundation on which trust is based. That bullet proof integrity characterized my interactions wtih Noreen, Joe V. and Amie. You and Brent are on the wrong path. I have always regarded Axiom as a company which operates on a much higher ethical level than the rest of the herd. Be careful you don't become just more bull. Here's the email train between me and Axiom in which I was repeatedly assured that I had purchased M3V3s. ========================================================================================================================== Re: Axiom Audio Response to Your Request AXIOM AUDIO.COM - JC [jc@axiomaudio.com] You replied on 7/2/2010 12:25 AM Extra line breaks in this message were removed. Sent: Thu 7/1/2010 12:19 PM To: Phil Philip, They are v3 except for the grille and woofer dust cap. jc -------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil" <levylaw1@cox.net> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:35 PM To: <jc@axiomaudio.com> Subject: RE: Axiom Audio Response to Your Request Hello Jean-Claud 11058071006102 and 103 Please let me know. Please also let me know how to tell the difference between the new V3 tweeter and the V2. The woofer appears to be all white in the V3 and mine are black eyed peas. Let me know if there are ANY differences other than the color of the center nipple of the woofer between V3 and V2. Any cross-over differences? Philip Levy -----Original Message----- From: jc@axiomaudio.com [mailto:jc@axiomaudio.com] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:43 AM To: levylaw1@cox.net Subject: Axiom Audio Response to Your Request Hi Philip, My name is JC (Jean-Claude). I am an expert audio advisor at Axiom. It is always a pleasure to hear back from an Axiom owner. Brent is on vacations until July 14th. Please, email me the serial number of your M3 and I will be able to confirm its status. Thanks again for your e-mail! If you would like me to me to follow-up directly by phone, just drop me a line with an appropriate time and a number for me to do so. Alternatively, you are always welcome to dial Axiom's toll-free number (1-866-244-8796) - any of our Audio Experts would be pleased to help. Have a nice day ! JC Jean-Claude Benoît Axiom Audio Expert 1.866.244.8796 jc@axiomaudio.com Read about me: http://www.axiomaudio.com/JC.html www.axiomaudio.com Are you an Axiom Audiophile? Sign up for the free monthly Axiom Newsletter! http://www.axiomaudio.com/newsletter.html------------------------------------ Hi Brent Boy, I sure felt better after your explanation that my new M3s were V3s and not V2s. I was afraid that just because my new M3s have a label saying V2 on their backsides, and had the push-on grills instead of the magnetic ones they were really M3V2s. I was relieved when you told me the only differences between the V3 and V2 are the magnetic grills and a cosmetic change to the tweeter. You told me that at least I got the new tweeter! But, oh, no, my tweeter is not the new one. The magnetic grills we already know about. But holy samolies, I just checked the webiste and notice the new V3s also have different 6 1/2" drivers! So, my M3V3s have the old tweeter, the old grill covers and the old 6 1/2" drivers. Maybe the label on the back which indicates "V2" is for real. What do you think? I am very disappointed. You assured me I would be getting V3s when I ordered my pair. You assured me today that my M3s are V3s despite the label. I will go so far as to say this is very disturbing to me. I bought my first pair of Axioms in about 2003. Since then I've bought M2es, M3Tis, M22s, M50s, VP150s, QS8s, a bunch of Meraks. I have referred quite a few people who on my recommendation purchased Axioms speakers. This is not right.
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Brent told me to take a look at custom vinyl finishes which I did. The high gloss cherry looked very good. By that time the V3s had come out so I asked if they could make my M3s V3s with high gloss cherry finish. Sure, I was told. You bought a pair of M3 speakers which were sold to you as M3v2 which I understand can be disappointing when a newer verison is only introduced a few days later. Well somebody's timeline has got to be wrong here. That, or there was some miscommunication. 2x6, is it possible (I'm asking, not stating fact or accusing ) that by the time you requested the change/upgrade to v3 the custom finish on the M3 cabinet was already complete? In this scenario, the best that Axiom could do would be to ensure that all of the internal components are v3. With the holes already drilled out for the old grilles, I don't think it would be possible for them to convert the cabinet into the magnetic grilled version.
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Never mind, looks like you already knew you weren't getting the magnetic grilles. It also looks like you ordered them before the June 30th release of the v3's, so that would explain the black capped drivers. BTW, according to Axiom all of the recently sold black capped drivers are the same identical driver as the v3 other than cap colour. They've also stated that they've been implementing the v3 changes/improvements into the recent "v2" orders, which is probably why they are assuring you that your M3's are sonically equal to the v3's.
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Did you actually order and buy V3's or were they V2's? Your timeline does not match. Did you not order / buy them before the V3 announcement? Now, if you did in fact order / buy V3's and the M3's you received are V2's, I would be pissed as hell and would send them back COD. However, if you bought V2's, and you received V2's, but are pissed because they don't have the label, V3 driver and magnetic grills, well, you bought V2's and to call them V3's is a misrepresentation. I started the process before the V3s were announced. For more than a month, I called Jean Claude every couple of days asking if they had any real wood finish M3s in Factory Outlet since I was buying these speakers for a friend's system and wanted to keep the cost down. Jean Claude would laugh and say "no." Finally, after more than a month of this, Brent picked up the phone and told me that real wood finishes were never offered through the FO. I was put off a bit and wondered why Jean Claude never told me that instead of chuckling at all my inquiries. Brent told me to take a look at custom vinyl finishes which I did. The high gloss cherry looked very good. By that time the V3s had come out so I asked if they could make my M3s V3s with high gloss cherry finish. Sure, I was told. I was very much looking forward to getting a pair of M3V3s. So, in answer to your question, michael, yes, I actually ordered M3V3s, no question. I don't think there is anything in my posts which would suggest that I ordered anything other than a pair of M3V3s. Michael aren’t you one of the guys on the Axiom customer council? Why are you suggesting that I misrepresented what happened here? Did you receive a call or PM from someone at Axiom or one of your co customer council members who suggested to you that I purchased V2s instead of V3s? Because if someone told you that, you’ve been misinformed. AS to your suggestion that I am misrepresenting what happened here, where do you get off making such an accusation against me? If you want me to post my exchange of emails with Axiom over this matter I’ll do it, however, I think they’ll come out looking even worse. In the meantime, I'll now count you among the Axiom clean up squad. I hope this shameless spinning and blaming the customer isn't the kind of customer service we should expect from Axiom now on. RE-read my question. I asked for clarification, and was not accusing you of anything. If you ordered V3's, demand a replacement, I would. If you ordered V2's, then you got what you ordered. It really doesn't get any simpler than that. Call me what you will, I don't really give a damn what you think of me.
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I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here at all, nor am I taking any sides between Dr. House and Tom. I have no quarrels with anyone here. Everyone has disagreements, there's nothing wrong with that. But I would like to point out something that I saw in this particular arguement just as a 3rd party observation. Take it out of the context in which it was presented here on the Axiom forum and put it in say, oh the Paradigm forum for example. So a loyal Paradigm owners has a sister looking to get herself a system on a strict budget. Knowing that she probably won't be able to afford a Paradigm set-up the brother asks if anyone has any experience with Axiom speakers. So another loyal Paradigm owner chimes in and says, "oh yes you should look at the 3rd party tests of the M80's the graph shows it's even more neutral than the Studio 100's, and for the price they are a very good speaker". Then someone else responds by saying, "well what does a graph show anyway, that's no way to judge a speaker". That's a fair statement, a graph can not tell you how smooth a speaker may sound, if it's highs are fatiging, or if they sound spacious and open or not. Certainly speaker manufacturers who are dedicated to developing a neutral speaker will undoubtedly study graphs of the speakers performance to try to tweak whatever they need to to improve its performance. But a graph is not a tell-all when it comes to the way a speaker performs. Still, the response sounds a bit... defensive. And if I were reading the thread from the standpoint of being an Axiom owner like I am, I could (and I stress the word COULD) see where someone might feel the response was sort of on the 'fanboyish' side of things. I'm not calling Tom a fanboy, not in the least. I do understand patriotism, and as Grunt pointed out, it's so easy to read a persons post and get the wrong impression of the way it was supposed to sound. I have no doubts House didn't mean to sound as if he was saying the Ascends were a superior speaker to the M22's any more than Tom meant to sound as if he was annoyed that he would recommend anything but Axiom speakers. And personally I didn't get those messages out of either of those two posts... but it was from those two posts that the fireworks began, so somewhere down the line the message got misunderstood. I don't see much fanboyism around these parts, most people here are open minded to most advice and recommendations towards alternatives to Axiom products. Still, we all have some varying degree of fondness towards Axiom, so it's understandable that any recommendation that doesn't fall in the 'Axiom' column can look/feel like a jab. And in some cases that may well be what they are, I just didn't feel as if this was one of those cases. But that, just as the rest of my post, is just my own personal opinion, and should not be cut an pasted on Wikipedia under 'What Dr. House REALLY meant'.  But I missed any and all of the posts in question regarding Dr. House and his feelings towards the V3 designation thingy. So perhaps I'm just not looking for anything that might be taken negatively out of the good doctor towards Axiom as a whole? On the other side of that coin, those who are in the know concerning that situation are perhaps coloring anything he says now with the attitude he may have expressed at that time, and getting the impression that anything he says as of late, is slanted. I really have no business to say if it is or isn't since... A. I'm not Dr. House. B. I have no access to his train of thought. and C. The book I had on him titled 'Dr. House, His Real Agenda and His Plans On Destroying Axiom' burned up in my fire before I got a chance to read it.  Ok, ok... I'm playing this rather tongue-in-cheek I admit, but that's only because... well because this is the internet folks! This forum in particular IS tongue-in-cheek!!! We're never serious about anything in here... EVER!!! Which isn't to say that we're not seriously diggin our Axiom speakers! But come on, in the two years I've been hanging around we've only really hated on two people... Skiing Ninja and Solid State. And that's because those two OBVIOUSLY had an agenda! To a lesser extent a lot of people around here got fed up with Bob. But that was more due to his lack of willingness to seriously follow the advice of those members who were earnestly trying to help him rectify his situation... as well as his very negative attitude after recieveing his speakers, than anything else. I didn't sense any sort of agenda coming out of Bob, just a penchant to bitch about his situation with little to no willingness to even consider anyone's advice on how to improve any aspect of performance with his set-up. Anyway, like I said I'm not putting any blame on anyone at all here. It's all good as far as I'm concerned. I just wanted to express that I truely don't see any agenda behind Dr. Houses recommendation. Nor would I ever catagorize Tom as an Axiom fanboy. But then again, I always thought we'd find those WMD's laying around somewhere in Iraq one day. Sooo..............
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Oooops... looks like I missed the boad. That arguement is over and done and now we're off on another quarrel... my bad.
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Am I the only one who thinks if you aren't happy with what Axiom has sent you, you should just simply send it back? What's the big freaking deal here? Mistakes of course happen, but it sounds like Axiom was not even given the chance to make things right because of a timeframe. If 2x6 is in that much of a hurry and cannot send them back, that is not Axioms fault. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't re-ship another set with magnetic grilles and white drivers if so requested.
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Ok I admit I do understand the disappointment in thinking you're getting one thing, and getting another (or as in this case, not knowing exactly what you got???). I know how that frusteration can build up and fester and create hard feelings and in the end come out in anger. Now before I go any further let me just clarify that I am not part of the Axiom clean-up squad. Saying so proves it, because if you are part of the Axiom clean-up squad you are required by Canadian law to state that fact... otherwise it's entrapment!!!
Ok so now that you know I'm on the level let me just say that if I were in your shoe's I very well may feel the same way that you do. In fact I'm going to go as far as saying I'd probably feel pretty much exactly the way you do. Dispite this however, I am willing to bet you have the new tweeter, and that you're M3's sound 100% identical to any other honest to goodness pair of M3's. For me though, that might not be enough. If it were me, I might have asked if they would take back the set I got, and sent me a pair with the magnetic grills, silver dust caps, and V3 label on the back.
Have you asked them to do this? If not, this is what I would suggest. In my experience with Axiom (JC was directly involved in most of my issues), they will do anything and everything you request of them within reason... and then some!!! There was not a single thing I asked for that JC did not provide me. I don't know if you followed my thread, but it went on for a LONG time before it was resolved. In fact, they gave me SOOO much support and new parts I got to the point that I felt bad asking for anything else because I knew that they couldn't have made any profit from my purchase after everything they sent me. But they never, and I mean NEVER refused anything I asked for. I got everything requested promptly and they were always very good at following up with me, making sure I was satisfied.
So my suggestion is if it's really bugging you, ask them if they'll take yours back in exchange for sonically AND visually V3 M3's. My guess is they'll be more than happy to accomodate such a request and you'll have nothing left to question.
Personally I can see how the switchover from something like a V2 to a V3 could be a big cluster f&@#!!! Some customers will gladly accept the new speakers with the old hardware that is sonically equal to the new hardware (like the black-eyed pea drivers), plus the new hardware (like the tweeters), wrapped in an old box (like the one with the pop-in grills instead of the magnetic ones) and be just fine with them. Others will accept nothing less than everything that is new about the speaker (including cap color and magnetic grills). I'm not saying either of these two types of customers are right or wrong, I'm just saying that both of them exist, so I don't fault Axiom for using up old inventory while making the transition. But I would highly, and I mean HIGHLY doubt that they sent you a pair of V2's and just told you they were V3's. I tell you what, order another set of V3's and when they get there take the tweeters out of both and take them down to a professional lab. If their findings are that you were sold the old tweeters, then I'll pack my Axioms up and send them back to Ontario as well. And I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one.
And I LOVE my Axiom's!!! So I'm saying this because I'm THAT sure that you have not been duped. But by all means, ask them to trade you for another set of M3's if it's killing you like it is. I know for a fact that your peace of mind is more important to them than a few dollars in their coffers. I know this from experience. JC took care of me, I'm confident he will take the same good care of you as well.
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Am I the only one who thinks if you aren't happy with what Axiom has sent you, you should just simply send it back? What's the big freaking deal here? Mistakes of course happen, but it sounds like Axiom was not even given the chance to make things right because of a timeframe. If 2x6 is in that much of a hurry and cannot send them back, that is not Axioms fault. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't re-ship another set with magnetic grilles and white drivers if so requested. Hmmmm... now see he just said the same thing I did. Why can't I make my point in under 10,000 words like him????
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Like I said from the beginning. The speakers are beautiful and they sound great. Concerning the question as to whether these speakers which have all the indicia of V2s are V2s or V3s, I'll accept Brent's representation that they are V3s which look exactly like V2s.
I think the matter could have been handled differently and better. JMO.
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Does that mean that it's now ok to say that Monster and Bose are good products? :hhhehehehe:
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We don't know. Which one of you said that!?! You don't sass your elders, when I find out which one of you said that I'ma tell your dad and make sure you go to bed without watching ANY cartoons tonight... DO YOU HEAR ME!!!
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Does that mean that it's now ok to say that Monster and Bose are good products? :hhhehehehe: Ummmmmm..... what????
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Man, I was totally going to watch some Futurama. Or maybe Simpsons, if I can steel myself to watch another BSG.
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Does that mean that it's now ok to say that Monster and Bose are good products? :hhhehehehe: Ummmmmm..... what???? Oh, well. If I don't have anything intelligent to say, it usually comes out as a miserable attempt at humor.
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I actually don't doubt Monster stuff is actually pretty good... It's just obscenely over-priced and aimed at Joe six pack who is going to be lulled into the sales pitch thinking what's $100 when he just paid $2000 for a new TV.
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Well I have never had a six pack, but I got pulled in with that exact sales pitch when I purchased my last HT. The arguement was, "your system is as good as it's weakest link"... so I figured well hell, I just spent $7000 dollars on a new TV, a Denon reciever and a 9.1 speaker surround system, I CAN'T waste my time and money hooking all that stuff up with cheapo wire and connectors or it will all be for not! So I spent close to $1000 bucks wiring it all up. Then I happened upon this (Axiom) site when looking for HT #2 and realized that an inexpensive HDMI cable does not = cheap. It just doesn't take money out of my wallet needlessly. Thank you Axiom site!
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After reading this thread, for some reason I feel like I just came back home.
For more reasons than one.
And one of those reasons wasn't my mom's zucchini bread.
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I think I can break this confusion down into a logical manner.
First, lets work off the assumption 2X6 has the new tweeters and woofer.
The "new" tweeter and woofer were incorporated during a portion of the V2 period.
Technically, the M3 Version 3 is a change of the dustcap and the incorporation of a magnetic grille. The crossover point seems to be the same according to the specifications.
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I knew this was ripe for a cartoon.
Glad Murph felt the same way. Good work, as always.
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Tales from Atop the Volcano. Episode 11] Ok just to clarify... is JC standing waist deep in water in this representation? Excellent job Murph! You should use your extrodinary tallents to... entertain the yahoo's on this very active audio website I frequent. Maybe you've heard of it, I call it my AxiomAudio hang-out!
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Heh heh. Thanks.
Micah - J.C. isn't necessarily on water. When I first did a couple of these, I started putting each character standing on their own unique 'something or other.' It means nothing, just something to add to the feel.
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I was just being facetious.
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I love "facetious." All the vowels in alphabetical order, even if you add "y."
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Me too! In fact, if I could have sex with any word, I would have sex with 'facetious'!!! But I would definately use a condom. Who knows who's mouth facetious has been in!?!
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So facetious has a penis, and you're having sex with him?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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God! WTF do I even TRY to restrain myself here?
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And I think you're confusing him with Phasitius, the Greek scribe.
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Me too! Who knows who's mouth facetious has been in!?! Endy in prepositiony.
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Could it be? Is BobKay really GrammarBot 2.0?
'cause that would be awesome.
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Great cartoon Murph !!
That was good for a wholesome laugh. Thanks
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What if the v3 upgrade was as simple as...  Impressions to follow shortly. I'm looking forward to the sonic improvements I've been hearing about acrylic. P.S. Nice cartoon, Murph.
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Yeah, Phil; as "JC" suggests, just consider your speakers to be v2.5s.
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Great cartoon Murph !!
That was good for a wholesome laugh. Thanks Glad you enjoyed it. It was a challenge to try to show both sides of the argument with humor, without taking sides. I hope I fell somewhere in the middle.
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All the equipment was received this week so it was time to get things put together. To start, the Accends were shipped extremely fast, same day. They (the 340s) were a bit larger than I expected, heavy buggers too.They are some very well built speakers.
Got them all set up and calibrated with rat shack meter and the receivers test tones. My sister put in a Josh Groban DVD at first. I tell ya those darn speakers sure do sound good, sharp, articulate with plenty of heft. They blended very good with the eD sub. Next we watched some Andrea Bocelli, while it did sound good I'm not much of a fan so I had her put in another DVD.
Now don't laugh but she put in a Celine Dion DVD. I've never listened to her and certainly don't own any of her material but I was really surprised how damn good this sounded. It had a lot of dynamics in it. Turned the volume up a bit and it really made those 340s shine.
I'm telling ya, these are some mighty fine speakers. I would be quite happy having them in my home, that's for sure. For the price she paid (spring sale) they are a steal.
Part way through the DVD I asked my sister if she was pleased with the set up? She told me they were far more than she expected. As a matter of fact she was crying with joy as she told me that. Sure made me feel good knowing I picked out all the gear.
My own expectations were quite high for the 340s and they came through with flying colors.
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Awesome, Rick! And YOU get to be the hero!
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Glad it worked out well! Are they black w/ black grills?
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My own expectations were quite high for the 340s and they came through with flying colors. Thats good to hear... I think.
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So I guess you took ALL the credit and didn't give even a shout out to House who walked through a mine field lined with barbed wire & mustard gas with Special Forces snipers guarding the perimitter just to hand you his recommendation for them... eh??? Lol, just kidding!
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So I guess you took ALL the credit and didn't give even a shout out to House who walked through a mine field lined with barbed wire & mustard gas with Special Forces snipers guarding the perimitter just to hand you his recommendation for them... eh??? Lol, just kidding! No credit needed. He was the one that put them on his buyers list and decided to spend his money on them. I also recommended a different model that would put him even at a lower budget but none the less it is all based on the same technology (drivers, crossover components), build quality and sound signature.
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Glad it worked out well! Are they black w/ black grills?
Yes they are. Even if I would have picked the Axioms they would have been black, her preference.
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Glad to hear that she is happy with her purchase. Great audio and customer satisfaction is the goal.
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Thanks for the update. Nicely written and much appreciated.
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[quote=Micah]2x6spds,
Ok I admit I do understand the disappointment in thinking you're getting one thing, and getting another (or as in this case, not knowing exactly what you got???). I know how that frusteration can build up and fester and create hard feelings and in the end come out in anger. Now before I go any further let me just clarify that I am not part of the Axiom clean-up squad. Saying so proves it, because if you are part of the Axiom clean-up squad you are required by Canadian law to state that fact... otherwise it's entrapment!!!
Ok so now that you know I'm on the level let me just say that if I were in your shoe's I very well may feel the same way that you do. In fact I'm going to go as far as saying I'd probably feel pretty much exactly the way you do. Dispite this however, I am willing to bet you have the new tweeter, and that you're M3's sound 100% identical to any other honest to goodness pair of M3's. For me though, that might not be enough. If it were me, I might have asked if they would take back the set I got, and sent me a pair with the magnetic grills, silver dust caps, and V3 label on the back.
Have you asked them to do this? If not, this is what I would suggest. In my experience with Axiom (JC was directly involved in most of my issues), they will do anything and everything you request of them within reason... and then some!!! There was not a single thing I asked for that JC did not provide me. I don't know if you followed my thread, but it went on for a LONG time before it was resolved. In fact, they gave me SOOO much support and new parts I got to the point that I felt bad asking for anything else because I knew that they couldn't have made any profit from my purchase after everything they sent me. But they never, and I mean NEVER refused anything I asked for. I got everything requested promptly and they were always very good at following up with me, making sure I was satisfied.
So my suggestion is if it's really bugging you, ask them if they'll take yours back in exchange for sonically AND visually V3 M3's. My guess is they'll be more than happy to accomodate such a request and you'll have nothing left to question.
Personally I can see how the switchover from something like a V2 to a V3 could be a big cluster f&@#!!! Some customers will gladly accept the new speakers with the old hardware that is sonically equal to the new hardware (like the black-eyed pea drivers), plus the new hardware (like the tweeters), wrapped in an old box (like the one with the pop-in grills instead of the magnetic ones) and be just fine with them. Others will accept nothing less than everything that is new about the speaker (including cap color and magnetic grills). I'm not saying either of these two types of customers are right or wrong, I'm just saying that both of them exist, so I don't fault Axiom for using up old inventory while making the transition. But I would highly, and I mean HIGHLY doubt that they sent you a pair of V2's and just told you they were V3's. I tell you what, order another set of V3's and when they get there take the tweeters out of both and take them down to a professional lab. If their findings are that you were sold the old tweeters, then I'll pack my Axioms up and send them back to Ontario as well. And I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one.
And I LOVE my Axiom's!!! So I'm saying this because I'm THAT sure that you have not been duped. But by all means, ask them to trade you for another set of M3's if it's killing you like it is. I know for a fact that your peace of mind is more important to them than a few dollars in their coffers. I know this from experience. JC took care of me, I'm confident he will take the same good care of you as well. [/quote
Today I received my M22 missing and there is another problem with my order. The tweeter from the speaker I got today is different from the other M22's so I wonder which one is the v3 and which one is the v2. I just e-mailed Axiom and am waiting for a clarification. I am very happy with my speakers but I just can't have one M22 with a different colored tweeter than the other 2 coz it looks weird IMO. Hopefully they will get back at me soon.
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Man, that would be annoying. Axiom needs more double-checking in place so they don't waste so much money on shipping back and forth due to mistakes.
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wid--How are you going to survive without your sub until your A5-350 arrives? Based on recent history, you might not get it until September.
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Can you post pictures of this tweeter? Maybe in a different thread? I know the behind the scenes design of the tweeters has changed several times, but the appearance hasn't, except when they went from the hybrid tweeter to the titanium tweeter on the lower end stuff (which was about 5-10 years ago, as I recall).
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Thanks for the review, Wid. It's nice to hear that Ascend is still putting out good stuff. Been awhile since I've heard anything about them.
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wid--How are you going to survive without your sub until your A5-350 arrives? Based on recent history, you might not get it until September. I'll just run my M80s full range, it's worth the wait.
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Can you post pictures of this tweeter? Maybe in a different thread? I know the behind the scenes design of the tweeters has changed several times, but the appearance hasn't, except when they went from the hybrid tweeter to the titanium tweeter on the lower end stuff (which was about 5-10 years ago, as I recall). Hi I will try to take a pic tomorrow and post it. I just received an answer from JC and have been told that Axiom started V3 with this shiny gloss and decided it was too shiny and went for a dull gloss now. Looks to me that there is no more shiny gloss tweeter available and JC has offered me 2 new dull colored tweeter. The thing is that I liked to shiny the most, hopefully they will have at least one over there that they could send me.
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All the equipment was received this week so it was time to get things put together. To start, the Accends were shipped extremely fast, same day. They (the 340s) were a bit larger than I expected, heavy buggers too.They are some very well built speakers.
Got them all set up and calibrated with rat shack meter and the receivers test tones. My sister put in a Josh Groban DVD at first. I tell ya those darn speakers sure do sound good, sharp, articulate with plenty of heft. They blended very good with the eD sub. Next we watched some Andrea Bocelli, while it did sound good I'm not much of a fan so I had her put in another DVD.
Now don't laugh but she put in a Celine Dion DVD. I've never listened to her and certainly don't own any of her material but I was really surprised how damn good this sounded. It had a lot of dynamics in it. Turned the volume up a bit and it really made those 340s shine.
I'm telling ya, these are some mighty fine speakers. I would be quite happy having them in my home, that's for sure. For the price she paid (spring sale) they are a steal.
Part way through the DVD I asked my sister if she was pleased with the set up? She told me they were far more than she expected. As a matter of fact she was crying with joy as she told me that. Sure made me feel good knowing I picked out all the gear.
My own expectations were quite high for the 340s and they came through with flying colors.
What axiom model would you compare the 340s? Have you had a chance to hear the Sierra?
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I did not do any comparisons to my Axioms, M80s. I have not heard any other model Axioms so I can not answer your question.
I have only heard the 340s and the 200s in surround duty. What I wrote was with the Ascends on their own merits.
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All the equipment was received this week so it was time to get things put together. To start, the Accends were shipped extremely fast, same day. They (the 340s) were a bit larger than I expected, heavy buggers too.They are some very well built speakers.
Got them all set up and calibrated with rat shack meter and the receivers test tones. My sister put in a Josh Groban DVD at first. I tell ya those darn speakers sure do sound good, sharp, articulate with plenty of heft. They blended very good with the eD sub. Next we watched some Andrea Bocelli, while it did sound good I'm not much of a fan so I had her put in another DVD.
Now don't laugh but she put in a Celine Dion DVD. I've never listened to her and certainly don't own any of her material but I was really surprised how damn good this sounded. It had a lot of dynamics in it. Turned the volume up a bit and it really made those 340s shine.
I'm telling ya, these are some mighty fine speakers. I would be quite happy having them in my home, that's for sure. For the price she paid (spring sale) they are a steal.
Part way through the DVD I asked my sister if she was pleased with the set up? She told me they were far more than she expected. As a matter of fact she was crying with joy as she told me that. Sure made me feel good knowing I picked out all the gear.
My own expectations were quite high for the 340s and they came through with flying colors.
What axiom model would you compare the 340s? Have you had a chance to hear the Sierra? From a purely specifications standpoint, the M60 would be the closest comparison to the 340 and the M22 would be best compared to the 170.
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All the equipment was received this week so it was time to get things put together. To start, the Accends were shipped extremely fast, same day. They (the 340s) were a bit larger than I expected, heavy buggers too.They are some very well built speakers.
Got them all set up and calibrated with rat shack meter and the receivers test tones. My sister put in a Josh Groban DVD at first. I tell ya those darn speakers sure do sound good, sharp, articulate with plenty of heft. They blended very good with the eD sub. Next we watched some Andrea Bocelli, while it did sound good I'm not much of a fan so I had her put in another DVD.
Now don't laugh but she put in a Celine Dion DVD. I've never listened to her and certainly don't own any of her material but I was really surprised how damn good this sounded. It had a lot of dynamics in it. Turned the volume up a bit and it really made those 340s shine.
I'm telling ya, these are some mighty fine speakers. I would be quite happy having them in my home, that's for sure. For the price she paid (spring sale) they are a steal.
Part way through the DVD I asked my sister if she was pleased with the set up? She told me they were far more than she expected. As a matter of fact she was crying with joy as she told me that. Sure made me feel good knowing I picked out all the gear.
My own expectations were quite high for the 340s and they came through with flying colors.
What axiom model would you compare the 340s? Have you had a chance to hear the Sierra? From a purely specifications standpoint, the M60 would be the closest comparison to the 340 and the M22 would be best compared to the 170. Thanks for the answer. That's what I wanted to know. Guess I didn't clearly stated my idea taking in consideration wid's answer. I didn't mean to imply that the 340 was being compared to the M80, just wanna know exactly what you answer me. Taking only specs in consideration which Axiom speaker would be comparable to which Ascend speaker. So in theory the sierra could be compared to the m80 then?
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All the equipment was received this week so it was time to get things put together. To start, the Accends were shipped extremely fast, same day. They (the 340s) were a bit larger than I expected, heavy buggers too.They are some very well built speakers.
Got them all set up and calibrated with rat shack meter and the receivers test tones. My sister put in a Josh Groban DVD at first. I tell ya those darn speakers sure do sound good, sharp, articulate with plenty of heft. They blended very good with the eD sub. Next we watched some Andrea Bocelli, while it did sound good I'm not much of a fan so I had her put in another DVD.
Now don't laugh but she put in a Celine Dion DVD. I've never listened to her and certainly don't own any of her material but I was really surprised how damn good this sounded. It had a lot of dynamics in it. Turned the volume up a bit and it really made those 340s shine.
I'm telling ya, these are some mighty fine speakers. I would be quite happy having them in my home, that's for sure. For the price she paid (spring sale) they are a steal.
Part way through the DVD I asked my sister if she was pleased with the set up? She told me they were far more than she expected. As a matter of fact she was crying with joy as she told me that. Sure made me feel good knowing I picked out all the gear.
My own expectations were quite high for the 340s and they came through with flying colors.
What axiom model would you compare the 340s? Have you had a chance to hear the Sierra? From a purely specifications standpoint, the M60 would be the closest comparison to the 340 and the M22 would be best compared to the 170. Thanks for the answer. That's what I wanted to know. Guess I didn't clearly stated my idea taking in consideration wid's answer. I didn't mean to imply that the 340 was being compared to the M80, just wanna know exactly what you answer me. Taking only specs in consideration which Axiom speaker would be comparable to which Ascend speaker. So in theory the sierra could be compared to the m80 then? The Sierra and the M80 are their flagship speakers. Thats where I would end the comparison. One is a bookshelf speaker and the other is a full range tower. Apples and oranges comparison.
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