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M80's: Recevier, or Recevier+amp?
#316151 07/23/10 01:24 AM
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I'm looking to pickup 3-M80's as part of my home theater (fronts +center).

To drive them, I was planning on using the soon to be released Denon 4311ci with ~130w/channel.

A friend suggested that I drop back to the Denon 3311ci and add an Emotiva XPA-3 to power the fronts and let the 3311 drive the four QS8 surrounds.

What do you all think? Which is a better solution for use with the m80's?

I'll be using them for movies, but my son is a musician with musician ears so musicality will rule the day in terms what we end up purchasing. I just need it loud. smile





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Hi Scamp! Welcome to Axiom forum! I am here to give you a great welcome to the Axiom family! Taking in consideration I am a great noob on HT matter, can't really help you. I will leave that to the pros around here. I gotta say! They are really helpful as my HT set is being setup right now, this is one thing I can say for sure!


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Ichigo_Kurosaki #316157 07/23/10 01:55 AM
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How big is your room? Either set up you have listed should serve you well. With the Denon being 130 watts and the Emo being 200 per it's really a toss up. Denon is known to have a very robust amp section.

There have been some, not all, folks running M80s and Emo amps that have had problems. Not so with Denon and M80s.


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Wid #316160 07/23/10 02:02 AM
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You could actually try the 3311 WITHOUT a power amp first, then if you feel you need an external amp, go for it. Alot depends on your listening level. As Rick mentioned, there have been some problems with some Emo amps and M80s(not sure which specific amp).


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Adrian #316173 07/23/10 02:23 AM
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I would try the Denon as is first before getting extra outboard amps. The difference between 130 watts and 200 is less than 3dB's, which is hardly noticable. Considering that the M80's are very loud at 1 watt/1 meter, you will unlikely notice any difference.


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The Denon will be able to deliver in the range of 200w into 4 Ohms. As sirquack points out, that will get your M80s plenty loud with no clipping.


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Adrian #316175 07/23/10 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ichigo_Kurosaki
Hi Scamp! Welcome to Axiom forum!

Thanks!

Originally Posted By: wid

How big is your room?

It's a divided room. 22'x14 for the theater area with a half wall into a similar sized space.

Originally Posted By: Adrian
You could actually try the 3311 WITHOUT a power amp first, then if you feel you need an external amp, go for it.


I'd have no idea if I need the external amp at all, assuming we are talking degrees of goodness. I have no real point of reference since all I have now are the speakers built into the old TV. Plus I need a way to decide if I'm better off with the 4311ci over the 3311. Unless of course I looked at the 4311 with the amp.

While we are on the subject, obviously there are amps with a much higher price tag than the XP-3 what do they buy? Just more power/volume?


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Bragging rights. The illusion of better. A very nice car and mansion for the guy that owns the expensive amp company.

Buy the receiver with the features you need/want. With 125w the 3311 will give you all the power you ever need.


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My room is a little smaller than yours 20x11 and my denon is 105W/ch. I only play at max volume when I want to show off a little or upset my neighbor and only for a short period of time. Way to loud! I would probably go with an external amp if my room would be 2 or 3 times this size. Use the $$$ from the amp to buy yourself other equipment, surrounds maybe or a sub?

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Re: M80's: Recevier, or Recevier+amp?
fredk #316185 07/23/10 02:52 AM
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Scamp, the majority of the time you will only be using 1-3 watts to play pretty loud, with brief jumps "maybe" up to 100 watts or so. I am not going to quote what JohnK says about unused headroom as I'm sure he will be along soon. smile The M80's are rated at 95dB's (that is very loud) "in room" using 1 watt at a 1 meter distance. So even at normal distances back from the M80's your still only going to be using a few watts most of the time.


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