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It's Chuck Morris, the Ninja Cat.

How can you say they sound the 'same'... then in the next paragraph say there are definately differences?

I don't personally know because I've never heard M60's. I was only saying that because I've heard some on this board say they were more laid back. I still want to audition some.

I know that seems to make no sense. Like I wrote before, the differences are subtle. Well, other than the bass extension of the M80.

The overall sound is the same. As neutral speakers, neither one has a specific sound. If you listened to one on one day and the other on the next day, you would not be able to describe any differences.

I would have to find my original post here to put up the exact differences, but I can sum it up in writing that the M80 was more life like.

I agree with Fred, as someone that owned M60's for many years and now upgraded to M80's. I would say the overall sound/signature is very similar, if that makes sense. The M80's have the ability to handle more power and play louder, but that doesn't tell you there is a sound difference. The M60's can play as loud as most people would ever need, they are no slouch.

I guess the subtle differences would be a little better bass section. In my opinion this would have to do with a larger cabinet. In addition, some may find some minor improvements to overall detail, due to the addition of the extra tweeters/drivers.

I noticed a difference in the trebble. You could hear it with cymbals. Alan says there is a difference in the midrange as well. I am wondering if this is the greater bass detail I attributed to the lower bass in the M80. On paper there is only a 2 or 3 Hz difference in the 2 3db point between the two yet it sounded like a lot more.

Ok, well certainly you two would know more about the differences than I would sseeing as you've both experienced both speakers first hand. I guess I somehow got the false impression that M60's were a bit on the ' laid back' side off the scale as compared to the very detailed M80's. So my comment was intended to indicate that people who preferred the highs to roll off sooner would like the 60's over the 80's.

Perhaps I was mistaken.

I would say when comparing the m60's to the m80's, there is less of a "laid back" difference than if you were comparing the m50's to the m60's/m80's.

With those who heard the M60 and M80s, was this done in a controlled blind test? If not then most would say the opinions based on anything other than proper protocol would be discounted.

I would agree except for one thing. I went into the listening session expecting to buy the M60. I had decided ahead of time that it was the best speaker for me and, based on comments here, more than enough speaker for me.

I am hoping that Axiom will set up an M60 M80 blind listening session as next month's get together because I am curious to see how that will compare to my original notes.

Wow, Rick is starting to sound like JohnK, lol, no pun intented John, just kinda funny coming from Rick. There is a lot of valid facts about "true" blind AB tests. However, I don't agree about discounting totally what our "ears" and "brains" hear, that is what is important and how we make our decisions in real world situations. Most of us don't have anechoic chambers or real blind A/B equipment/environments.

I will say that I had my m60's on channel A, and the new m80's on channel B of my Denon at the time. I calibrated with an SPL meter, and was amazed that there was not much difference in dB, maybe 1-2 which is not recognized by our hearing. I had them in the same positions on the sides of the room with a little space between them. Yeah I know what your going to say, yada yada yada.

Anyway, I listened to a variety of music and switched quickly back and forth from A to B channels using the remote, I was using a blindfold, and had my wife pre set to one of the channels before I begain, so I didn't know which speakers I was listening to at any given moment.

Anyway, my statements still stand from above.