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Re: Help Me Break My Axiom Cherry
SirQuack #317315 08/02/10 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: sirquack
I will say that I had my m60's on channel A, and the new m80's on channel B of my Denon at the time. I calibrated with an SPL meter, and was amazed that there was not much difference in dB, maybe 1-2 which is not recognized by our hearing.

My understanding is that you DO have to have the levels closer than that...i.e., that difference is something you can hear.


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Re: Help Me Break My Axiom Cherry
MarkSJohnson #317325 08/02/10 01:52 AM
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Yeah, Mark; one of the requirements for a properly controlled blind listening test is that the overall volume levels be matched to within 0.1dB. This isn't because a difference anywhere near that small is detectable as a loudness difference, but because in tests with certain material overall differences of just a few tenths of a dB were detectable, not as loudness per se, but as "clarity", "sound-stage", etc.

In the M60/M80 case, with the M80 being a couple dB more sensitive, not matching volumes as closely as possible(among other factors)might lead to describing as a qualitative advantage what was just a quantitative difference.


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Re: Help Me Break My Axiom Cherry
JohnK #317333 08/02/10 03:14 AM
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Ok, so based on the info I'm now receiving, I guess in this case he should go with the M60's since there is little to no differences between the two speakers and his Emotiva amps will have no issues driving them..... right?

Somehow I can just feel that I'm still not going to be right. frown


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Re: Help Me Break My Axiom Cherry
Micah #317338 08/02/10 04:17 AM
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Quote:
Somehow I can just feel that I'm still not going to be right.

Now you're right. grin

In my case it was not blind, but was level matched as Axiom has the ability to do that.


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Re: Help Me Break My Axiom Cherry
MarkSJohnson #317352 08/02/10 12:59 PM
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Yes, Mark and Sir Quack,

A 1-dB difference in loudness is the smallest increase or decrease in level that humans can subjectively perceive.

A 3-dB difference = "somewhat louder"

2 dB = "a little bit louder"

1 dB = "barely detectable" (you have to listen really closely to detect it)

5 or 6 dB = "clearly louder"

10 dB = "twice as loud"

Smaller differences in loudness JohnK has already described.

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Re: Help Me Break My Axiom Cherry
fredk #317360 08/02/10 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: fredk
Quote:
Somehow I can just feel that I'm still not going to be right.

Now you're right. grin

In my case it was not blind, but was level matched as Axiom has the ability to do that.


Aaaaahhhhh..... FINALLY!!!!!! laugh


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