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#324218 - 09/29/10 10:26 AM Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED*
kordeo Offline
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Registered: 08/11/10
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Loc: Ontario
For you MUSIC LOVERS, do you think a subwoofer with the m-80's makes (would make) a big difference in your listening pleasure?

I think the general consensus is that the m80s have great bass, but than I read the odd comment about people not realizing what they were missing until they got a sub. I don't wanna be missing out!

p.s. I listen to mostly rock along the lines of groups sounding like Coldplay, U2, Switchfoot etc. No pipe organ music yet :P Feel free to comment on your own experience with your own music and personal bass taste.
For music listening with m80's would YOU buy a sub?
Only one choice allowed


Votes accepted starting: 09/29/10 10:26 AM
View the results of this poll.
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#324221 - 09/29/10 11:09 AM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: kordeo]
alan Offline

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Loc: Toronto/New York/parry Sound
Hi kordeo,

I followed your suggestion and deleted the other thread so visitors won't be confused.

Regards,
Alan
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#324222 - 09/29/10 11:15 AM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: alan]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 6015
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
Hi. I'm not voting since I have M22 and not M80. But my best guess from being a member of this forum for a year is "Not really much value in it."

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#324224 - 09/29/10 11:34 AM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: CatBrat]
Capn_Pickard Offline
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Registered: 03/09/04
Posts: 1056
Loc: Arlington, VA (NOVA)
I didn't vote, since I don't have the M80s, but I find the bass on my M60s to be punchier, more musical and less boomy than when my sub (an Hsu STF2) is turned on. There is definitely less bass without the sub and the room doesn't appear to be "full" of bass sound when it is just the M60s, but locality of the bass is improved (which is a good thing, I think, for musical selections where a localized bass is not objectionable).

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#324225 - 09/29/10 11:47 AM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: Capn_Pickard]
alan Offline

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Registered: 01/29/02
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Loc: Toronto/New York/parry Sound
Hi Cap'n,

Welcome back--I meant to post when you popped up earlier.

Your experience with the M60s with and without your sub running is interesting, and I would have predicted that, because while the M60s have very good bass output, their output and extension is not quite up the M80s, so a sub definitely enhances M60 performance with music or home theater.

I voted "worth it" above because I like the enhanced output and extension of the EP500 with my M80s for classical works with big bass drums and for Wurlitzer pipe organs, etc. However, used on their own with the EP500 switched off, the M80s have terrific bass with music. Still, the sub does enhance things because of the added extension and output.

Alan
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#324226 - 09/29/10 11:50 AM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: Capn_Pickard]
alan Offline

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Cap'n, I totally misread your post. I think sometimes because of room modes or perhaps running the sub a bit "hot", the articulation of, say, stand-up acoustic bass is perhaps a little more precise with the sub off.

So ignore some of my blather about "predicting", etc.

Alan
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#324227 - 09/29/10 11:54 AM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: Capn_Pickard]
bdpf Offline
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Registered: 06/28/08
Posts: 769
Loc: Toronto, Canada
I didn't vote but contrary to the others, I have the M80s but not a sub, LOL! I find the M80s to have a very good bass on their own for most music. IMO, it all depends on what you're looking for and what you're listening to. For rock music, if you are looking for "chest pounding" bass drum, you might want to add a sub, if you are looking for less pronounces but maybe more accurate bass, you might very well find that the M80s do an excellent job. In the end, you will need to try both scenarios and see for yourself if it is worth it for you to spend the extra $$$.
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#324230 - 09/29/10 12:42 PM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: bdpf]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
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I prefer to use a sub to fill out the bottom end, but the M80s do have excellent bass without one.
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#324233 - 09/29/10 01:04 PM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: Adrian]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Loc: Nirvana
I voted “Not really much value in it.”

I have gone for weeks running just my M80s because I turned off my EP500 and forgot to turn it back on until something I know well, usually a movie, is played and I realized something is missing.

That’s not to say there isn’t a noticeable difference when the EP500 is on it’s just not IMO a very big difference. In other words had I purchased my M80s strictly for music and not also for movies I wouldn’t waste the money on getting a subwoofer.

Much of my music listening at home is while I’m up and doing things. Since I’m moving around I don’t get any great benefit with most music using the surround channels and because of horrible room modes that can only really be effectively corrected near my seating I find the subwoofer to inconsistent as I move around the house.
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#324235 - 09/29/10 01:15 PM Re: Sub with M80's for music? y/n poll *REVISED* [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 4872
Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
For majority of my music listening I use the ep500, but could easily live without it. For Movies I couldn't imagine going without
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