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Re: Saving space!
#32427 01/31/04 02:19 PM
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Chess,

I don't doubt the effectiveness of that arrangement, and in a room dedicated solely to HT, I'm sure that's the thing to do. But, a large number of us have to incorporate our systems into normal living spaces. In my case, according to the diagram, with the "RW" at 11.5 feet, I should have the fronts of my speakers about 5 feet out from the RW. With an 18 foot long room that's just not practical. I can't let 4.5 feet of room (50 sq. of a 200 sq. foot room) lie fallow. (Plant yer crops early) Any suggestions? I can, however, achieve the rest of the dimensions, and I'm grateful for the info.




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Re: Saving space!
#32428 01/31/04 04:24 PM
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Ajax, the Golden Ratio is meant as a starting point for those who have no idea where/how to setup their speakers. You could for instance divide all those values by 2 to decrease the distances.
Generally the concept is to try and setup a triangle with as perfect dimensions as possible. If you could see my own basement setup, it does not come anywhere near the Golden Ratio numbers.
Hmm, let me post that image so you can see.




Note how my front speakers and my couch are only 8 feet apart while the speakers themselves barely sit 6 feet apart with about 1 foot clearance from the back wall and varying distances from the side walls.

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Re: Saving space!
#32429 01/31/04 06:36 PM
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Wouldn't it be better to have the TV right in between the two main speakers and move the sub to the outside? It seems a little off center.

Re: Saving space!
#32430 01/31/04 11:17 PM
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Actually Mike, due to constraints with cable lengths, my positioning was even more limited at first.
However, that is a somewhat older picture and the new setup has the sub in the corner to the left of the room (swap spots with the audio 'rack', if that's what i can call it). The problem with this setup is that the soundstage is not very wide due to the clost promiximity of the M60s to each other.
They really need more space to open up.

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Re: Saving space!
#32431 02/01/04 01:17 AM
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Thanks Chess (Please note. I did NOT call you "cheese." ) Now I can breathe a little easier about not being able to get that far away from the back wall. I think I can do a good job of achieving the equilateral triangle.

I do have another question about placement, but I don't want to hijack the post, so I'll go start a new one.

Boy! I DO like those M60s. I'm feeling a wave of uprgradeitis coming on, and I haven't even received my M22tis yet.


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Re: Saving space!
#32432 02/01/04 06:55 PM
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Chess,

It appears as though -- and I'm sure JohnK will back me up on this -- that your right M60 is placed so that the distance of the lower woofer is the same from the nearest 3 surfaces! And your sub isn't in a corner, either.

The compromises we all must make...

Re: Saving space!
#32433 02/01/04 07:11 PM
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Ok, here are the pics of the latest setup so everything is clear:




I will do this in the non-metric units for those who are still working on the conversion.
Note how the right M60 is about 6 inches from the tv, 1' from the right wall and 1.5' from the back wall. These are different distances but with so little room to move, i don't have much choice.
The other pic should show where my EP350 now sits in the corner.
IF i had much longer a/v cables, i could potentially move the audio rack to the left hand side of the room and open up my speakers more, but this would cost a significant amount of cash (i would need new speaker cable lengths and at least 3 new a/v cables at least 12' in length). That is spare cash i really don't have and it would leave me with a real bucket of cables. I could almost start my own cable shop.


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#32434 02/01/04 07:21 PM
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Yeah, but if you start your own cable shop, you could make a bucket of money!


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#32435 02/01/04 07:36 PM
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Only in theory Ken, only in theory.


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#32436 02/01/04 08:44 PM
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Clearly that's the case. My company's cable division is definitely losing money. I don't see why, I mean, they were going out of business when we bought them; why shouldn't they be profitable now?

Sometimes I think my boss has the business acumen of a dead cow.


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