Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Technical Questions Something about cables....

not to start a fight but.....read on:-

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2010/nordost_and_vertex_measurements/

Yeah, it's a shame that none of that is audible in properly controlled double-blind listening tests.

I like some of the comments

I didn't know Scott Adams had a competitor blog! Cablebert and Cdreaderbert. It's nice to know that that time-error corrections can be added! 10%+17%=27%! Nice one! At 27% timing error, I guess the singer and the guitarist end up in different rooms in your own appartment!

I'm sure this research/powerpoint presentation will not be subject to any peer review or published by any sort of credible scholarly source/journal like AES. Conflict of interest and marketing bs at its finest.

"Nordost, fattened on the proceeds of products like the £17,500 per 3-meter pair Odin speaker wire"

Is that genuinely a product?!

Even IF (and that's a might big if) the speaker wire made a difference, surely that money would be better spent on say constructing the perfectly audio treated listening room. Or maybe people with 17,000 pounds to throw around on speaker wire already have all that?

Consider me astounded that anybody could be so stupid...

Oh, in this industry there's ALL KINDS of stupid waiting for the gullible!

The price on it's own makes some people feel they need it.


Stupid people.

Even better, the price with a discount. Or on eBay. Peter knows who I'm talking about.

The saddest is not even the astronomically overpriced stuff. At least, the people who buy those have plenty of easily disposable income. What I don't like are like the case I know described in the next paragraph.

A person I know (can't give too much details in case he's lurking here) bought a 100,000$ piece of equipment. At least, that's the suggested retailed price. He was ecstatic because he got it "used" for 12,000$ (bargained down to 10,500$, shipping free).

The "used" piece of equipment is in perfect condition... like new (I have to admit the design is absolutely gorgous for a stereo <product-type-witheld> product). Now the sadder part is that he told me that these babies are so good and exclusive (hand-built by the world-renowed designer), that they are only available used through Audiogon and other such "auction/used" places.

So he is proud of having bought a $$$ piece of equipment for 10% of it's retail value... which is never sold at that price... That's sad because the person in question is far from being rich, but just couldn't resist the "amazing deal" he found... that can certainly be traced to the designer himself... since all those bargains are shipping from the same city... (I checked over the past year!).

If a rich person is swindled to buy 17,000$ cables, I don't give a crap. But misleading someone out of 10,000$ just because of a totally fake "deal of the century", that hurts.

$10K is a TON of money. My god.

Actually, £2,000 is a "ton" of money.

I could use $20 right now to go to Wendy's for lunch, so I'm biased....

I can eat for nearly four days on $20 at Wendy's. What are you ordering?!

All chili.

Or about 60 days when the PX puts Ramen Noodles on sale for $.08/each.

All the time.

Wow! I'd still be living in Florida if I could have bought ramen for 8¢. The 6 for a Dollar broke me.

How much was it in Ramenia?

I've never ate ramen in Romania; don't have to. There I eat things like deconstruction tuna salad sandwiches. That's a tuna puree, with sliced hard boiled eggs, chopped sweet gherkins, on a lightly mayo'd country fresh roll. Served with green olives and hand squeezed lemonade. This is at a restaurant where you sit down at a table and a (pretty) waitress brings you a menu. Total cost: about $6 US.

That sounds good, thanks alot, now I'm hungry.

It's not that the MEAL costs $20, but if I only had $7 I wouldn't want to spend everything I had on a Wendy's meal.

If I had $20, I could buy lunch and still have something left over so I didn't have the guilt!

You couldn't pay me to eat at Wendy's. Unless it was a ton of money. Either ton.

No Wendy's, no Ring Dings.

Jeez, Ken, don't you want to grow up to be big and fat like me?

I never said anything about Carl's or McDonald's. Or In 'n' Out

Please ignore the fact that my lunch today consists of carrots and a pb&j.


And also salt and vinegar chips and See's candy.

Yeah, Adam; stuff like that is available for those with more money than brains(or at least than basic knowledge of audio technology). Note beauties such as this . All any of this can do is to provide a low-resistance metal pathway for the electromagnetic wave which is traveling down its outside.

I would never buy $75,000 cables from an outfit which cannot put together a grammatically correct product description.

Personally, I like these:



Mapleshade Clearview Double Golden Helix speaker cable. Their copy is grammatically correct.

John, that truly amazes me. More money than sense!

In regards to that link, surely if you're going to be charging $75k you could put some money into making a nicer website?

They would have to sell one first!