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Hello! I'm considering gettings some M22's to use with my computer. I use the computer for about everything (games, music, movies) and am looking to upgrade from my old hand-me-down Bose. I have a few questions though. My room is pretty small, about 10x10 or maybe 12x12, which is why im not just jumping strait into the M80's or something of that nature. So first question, would the M22's be ideal for that size of room, or should I go with something bigger/smaller? Second question. Some of the reviews say that the M22's dont provide alot of bass, so I am considering an EP125 to go with them. Problem is, I cant see any reviews for the 125. Anyone able to tell me if the EP125 couples well with the M22's, and again, if I should go bigger for the room size? 3rd question. What is a relativly cheap reciever to get that would work well with that above set up? I dont need it to be bare bones cheap, but im looking to save on cost where I can. 4th and final question! Eventually, I would like to have the M80's with a nice sub and center bar. Would the m22's do well as back speakers for a 5.1 system? Thanks in advance for the help guys, im new to the whole home theatre thing and am trying to do it right the first time! :p **Edit** I would like to note, that when I do finally upgrade to some M80's, I will not be in the same small 10x10 room 
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1) I think the M22s will be plenty for your size room. The M3s and M2s should also do fine if you're talking about volume levels. What king of music do you listen to? Type of movies?
2) Can't help you much even though one of the reasons to go bigger would be to have a lower extension which is nice for movies and games.
3) If the only thing that you need for now is just to power this 2 speakers and will upgrade your receiver later, I would by the cheapest I could fine, IMO any receiver should drive the M22s fine.
4) For 5.1 you would be better off with the QS series which I hear are amazing. Direct radiating speakers just don't work as well. If you would be considering a possibility of 7.1 in the future, I would probably get the M2s for now and then later on use them as rears. If not, any of these choices should be fine and you could always use them as a second stereo system.
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Thanks for the reply bdpf!
1.) I listen to all types of music, usually ill just hit random on itunes and listen to what ever comes up. So everything from rap, country, rock, classical, techno and beyond.
3.) Any recievers that would be good to recommend? I have a 1200w Onkyo in my living room, but the generic Onkyo speakers are attached to it right now so ill be using that receiver in the future.
4.) Would the QS series do well with just a 2.1 setup? I dont really have plans for a 7.1, I think just a 5.1 would suit my needs just fine.
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The first thing you said was "I'm considering gettings some M22's to use with my computer. ".
Maybe I'm wrong, but, I'm thinking you need to look at the Audiobyte speakers instead of the M22's.
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The M22s would be great with a computer, but you need to add an amp of some sort, as the OP has noted.
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I did look at and consider those. The main thing for me though, is that I will probably be using the 22's in a future setup, so instead of having to order them when the time comes, I could just go ahead and have them.
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When you say "using the 22's in a future setup" can you clarify a little?
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From my understanding, the OP wants to use the M22s as surrounds once he goes to 5.1 and uses M80s as mains.
tehgohst, no the QS won't produce good results (at least I don't think so) in a 2.1 setup as they were design to work as surrounds.
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Okay, thats what I needed to know. I think for now ill go with a pair of M22's with the EP125. Ill find a cheaper amp to hook into and get my sound system ball rolling. Thanks guys
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The M22s could work in a 7.1 as rear channels if they have enough room behind the listening area to disperse into the room(a fairly large room) but in a 5.1 room I'd be using the Q's. If you are going to set up an HT down the road, you could use the M22's as mains with a decent sub(300wts+) and Q's as surrounds...that would make for an excellent system and wouldn't leave you wanting except for a very large room upwards +3000cu ft. where M60s/80s would be more desirable(depending on your listening level).
The q's are designed for surround duties and would be very compromised in a 2.1 system.
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For home theater, I'd look for more sub than the EP125, tehghost.
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Do you think that the 350 would be a better choice? Remember, im just talking about a small bedroom for the moment. There is always room to improve upon in the future when im going for the HT setup.
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The EP350 has some great output. I would look at the dimensions to make sure you have the room, maybe use it as end table.
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You might not EVER need to "upgrade" your mains from the M22's to M80's if you have a decent sub. They are wonderful speakers. Are you located in US or Canada? It seems to matter quite a lot relative to cost and availability of both receivers and subwoofers. The EP125 is an entry-level sub, and you might be able to get a big more performance for the same money depending upon your location and how heavily you weight appearance. Outlaw is selling what looks like a solid little 8" sub for $159. If it had a built-in crossover, I'd buy one for my office. Since you'll be using a HT receiver, you won't care about a crossover in the sub. Other budget sub options include the Sealed 10" A3S-250 from Elemental Designs for $350 shipped and the sealed Ultra sub 10 from Emotiva for $289 shipped. I've been recommending the refurb Onkyo receivers all week - you can get the TX-SR508 for $179 plus shipping. It's a good plan to spend money to get quality main speakers like the M22's. That will make more of a difference than anything else. Have fun!
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If it were me, I'd buy the best I can afford piece by piece if necessary. I wouldn't buy a small sub knowing that I'll replace it in a couple(?) yrs down the road with a more powerfull one...to me that's kind of wasting money, just my opinion of course. The EP350 is in a different league than the 125 and there are also a lot of other co's out there that make excellent subs too.
If you have room for a bigger sub, and you can afford it...I'd go for it since you want to set up an HT down the road anyway. Why not try out the M22's by themselves first? though they do benefit from a sub, maybe they'll be enough to get your feet wet initially.
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Ghost, welcome. I'll try your questions: 1) Yes, the M22s would be ideal for your room; 2)for your uses a more powerful sub would be helpful, and I'd suggest using about $350 for the Hsu STF-2; 3)get the Onkyo 508 which Tom has linked in his reply; 4)depending on how much distance from your listening position you could give them in that setup(hopefully at least 6-7' so they have some room to disperse the surround sound), the M22s would do reasonably well as side surrounds, but the QSs inherently have the wide dispersion which is so important for surrounds.
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Also, if you're willing to consider the extra expense of the EP350 ($768) + M22s ($488) = $1256 but are sure that you'll upgrade to the M80s later on anyways, you could get the M80s directly for the same price from the auction site. You could even get them cheaper if you don't care about the all-aluminum driver and the magnetic grill as Axiom still sells some V2s (but with V3 components I suppose) on the auction site.
If you are sure that you want the M80s, that's what I would do. They have great bass. I have them for almost a year now, still no sub, and I feel that I am not missing anything for music. Of course, for movies, that's a different story, I can't get the LFE provided by a sub but at loud volumes, the M80s can still make my room rumble. I knew that I wanted the M80s so that's the route I took and I'm very happy with my decision.
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Bruno, you probably didn't mean that you can't get LFE at all, but just to note that the mains do play(although with not quite the wallop of a good sub) any LFE present in movies when the sub is set "none".
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Yes John, what I meant is that I don't get the WOW factor of the LFE played by a good sub. Thanks for correcting me.
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Bruno, you probably didn't mean that you can't get LFE at all, but just to note that the mains do play(although with not quite the wallop of a good sub) any LFE present in movies when the sub is set "none". Most receivers do not send the LFE channel to any other speakers when the sub is set to none. It was the practice in the very beginning of digital 5.1, but upon recommendation of Dolby it has been stopped. The problem is the LFE channel has 10 dB more dynamic range than the other channels (old receivers also got this wrong, even on the sub pre-out) and can't be directly mixed. Today's receivers when the sub is set to "none", the low frequency effects are dropped.
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Chris, that isn't my understanding or experience. If you have a reference to some discussion of that, I'd like to read it.
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It had come up several time in discussions about proper Dolby down-mixing in a DSP forum. I also saw an Oppo rep give it as a reason for why their BD player drops the LFE when the sub output is turned off. AC3Filter (a DD codec for Windows) makes it an option set to off by default.
My old Sony receiver did mix the LFE into the mains when it was set to none. But it was my understanding that it wasn't done any more.
Though I just checked my Pioneer. I have a DVD with an LFE channel only sweep. Turned all my speakers to large, and the sub to none. Sure enough the sweep came from the mains (and no others). So, maybe the LFE drop isn't practiced as much as I thought.
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My Anthem D2v documents it as being sent to the mains (did not actually try because I ran out of time). I tried it on my Onkyo 805 and the LFE was coming out of the main.
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I think in my case I also get some LFE. Like I said, if I turn the volume high enough, I get quite a bit of vibration.
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Pioneer no longer documents what it does. That was another point in me thinking it was no longer done, because before it was explicitly spelled out what would happen.
My Sony's manual even went as far as to talk about the +10 dB needed to be applied to the LFE signal to mix it at the right level with the mains, but mentioned it could cause distortion. The LFE mix level would be set from -10 to +10 dB (with separate settings for Dolby and DTS).
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Well guys, thanks for all the input. What I have decided to do is just go all out with it. I'm going to get the M80's with a 350. This way, I can start off with an amazing sound and just make it better by getting more pieces. Ill get what I can off the auction site, and probably get refurbished Onkyo to plug them into. Thanks for all the help guys 
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Congrats! That's the way I would do it (actually, that's the way I am doing it ) I just checked the auction site and right now only M80s V2 are available as all other auctions just finished. Just wait a few days and I am sure the M80sV3 and EP350 will come back. Let us know what you think of your new setup.
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Nothing wrong with the v2's on the auction site and you save a few bucks doing so, this might allow some extra funds for another speaker or 2.
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Well ive done it. Pair of M80's with a EP350 and a refurbished Onkyo - Tx-Sr608. Now I wait
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Excellent! Hope they arrive in one piece 
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Gotta love it when a thread starts with "Thinking of buying M22s" and ends with an order for M80s.  Don't bother cleaning the nose prints off the front window until after the spearkers arrive.
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Gotta love it when a thread starts with "Thinking of buying M22s" and ends with an order for M80s. I started out by looking at the M22's too. Then my thoughts lead me to thinking of trying towers and I started comparing the 22's to the M60's. Which lead me to comparing the 60's to the M80'S. I figured I might as well just go ahead and do it right so I ended getting M80's, VP150, and QS8's. They were delivered on Thursday and I really am enjoying my decision.
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I also started out looking at the M22s because I was in an apartment but between planning for the future and the inevitable upgradites that I knew would set in I just got the M80s. The only issue it ended up causing me was needing to find a house with a vaulted ceiling so I could a large enough screen above the towers.
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Now, now, that's just the jealousy showing.
You guys are pathetic.
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I think weak willed is more appropriate for me, though I have been called “crazy” quite often.
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I have a pair of M22's with a SVS 10inch sub, hooked up to a Onkyo TS 605. What is the best crossover setting. I read the posts about setting speakers to "small", however I can also set the actual frequency crossover point. Do I use 80 for the M22's and sub, as well as "label" the speakers as small?
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"Small" (which lets you set the xover) and 80hz sounds like a good start. You can expirement after with cross overs from 60hz to 100hz to see (hear) how it goes (sound)!
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Additionally turn the crossover for the sub as high as it goes.
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this particular sub does not have crossover controls, so no concerns there. it will be controlled at the source (receiver).
I'm pretty new to the technical aspects of audio set-up. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll make sure it's set to small.
Is there a post explaining crossovers? I get the general idea.. SO for the M22, if it's set to 60 Hz, then any lower frequency would be cut off and sent to the sub. Conversely, for the sub... if it's set at 60Hz, then any frequency higher than that will be left for the M22? Is this an accurate understanding?
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Hello! I'm considering gettings some M22's to use with my computer. I use the computer for about everything (games, music, movies) and am looking to upgrade from my old hand-me-down Bose. I have a few questions though. My room is pretty small, about 10x10 or maybe 12x12, which is why im not just jumping strait into the M80's or something of that nature. So first question, would the M22's be ideal for that size of room, or should I go with something bigger/smaller? Second question. Some of the reviews say that the M22's dont provide alot of bass, so I am considering an EP125 to go with them. Problem is, I cant see any reviews for the 125. Anyone able to tell me if the EP125 couples well with the M22's, and again, if I should go bigger for the room size? 3rd question. What is a relativly cheap reciever to get that would work well with that above set up? I dont need it to be bare bones cheap, but im looking to save on cost where I can. 4th and final question! Eventually, I would like to have the M80's with a nice sub and center bar. Would the m22's do well as back speakers for a 5.1 system? Thanks in advance for the help guys, im new to the whole home theatre thing and am trying to do it right the first time! :p **Edit** I would like to note, that when I do finally upgrade to some M80's, I will not be in the same small 10x10 room 10' x 10'? Has anyone suggested you get 4 M80s and a VP180 center channel? The M22s are terrific. You can find some very nice 2 channel stereo receivers for a song, because everyone thinks they want multichannel (you can get 5.1 multichannel receivers for a song as well). I'm not familiar with the EP125, but I wouldn't get one either. You can get a pair of M3s and a cheap sub for the price of a pair of M22s. If you don't want to spring for a sub at this point, then I'd get the M3s instead of the M22s. G'luck
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The OP already purchased M80s and a EP350.
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Is there a post explaining crossovers? I get the general idea.. SO for the M22, if it's set to 60 Hz, then any lower frequency would be cut off and sent to the sub. Conversely, for the sub... if it's set at 60Hz, then any frequency higher than that will be left for the M22? Is this an accurate understanding?
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Pretty much. The crossover is not a brick wall but rolls off so a little bit lower than the crossover makes it through the speakers and vice versa. I find the M22's sound great with 80hz and have run them full range (large setting) and they still sound great but not quite as clean. I don't recall ever running them at 60 or 100hz,..... hmmmmm might have to try that for a change from the M80s.
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The OP already purchased M80s and a EP350. I guess I should have read the entire thread. I was kidding when I asked whether anyone suggested 4 M80s for a 10' x 10' room. The speakers should pretty much fill that room up.
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Frue, welcome. Yes, that's pretty much the way that the crossover works, except, as Jason pointed out, the frequencies are steeply rolled off above and below the crossover frequency rather than being completely cut off.
To avoid some confusion, Onkyo did away with the "large/small" language a few years ago and your 605 uses "full band" instead of "large" when there's no crossover. Setting a crossover frequency has the result of the former "small" setting.
My M22s are crossed at 80Hz to my EP500, and this gives excellent results, being high enough to take a significant low bass load off the M22s so that they can play higher frequencies a bit more cleanly while the sub handles what it does best. On the other hand, 80Hz is low enough so that the sub isn't easily localizable when playing those lower frequencies.
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Thanks John. I experimented with 60 and 80. I find that 60 seems to sound a bit more full and round, but at the expense of "clean" and crisp upper range as you indicated. I also "upped" my sub setting from -5 to -4, and that seems to add a bit more satisfying punch.
What is the general opinion of the audyssey automatic set-up? I don't have a centre channel yet. Was thinking of getting the VP150 to pair up.
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It is a bit of a hit and miss with Audyssey, some prefer it and some don't, let your ears be the judge.
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Listen to Jason (jakewash) and you be the judge. You paid for the feature so try it and tweak it as you see fit to see how you like it.
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