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#331416 - 12/13/10 09:58 PM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: cb919]
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Thanks for the write-up Dan, very informative.

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#331433 - 12/13/10 11:15 PM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: cb919]
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Dan,

Great review comparing an M2 to a VP150. Months before buying Axioms, I read a post by Dean suggesting to us an M2 as a centre in vertical position. This led me down a path that eventually ended up with me using an M2 as a centre. Most people who stop by shake their heads until they hear a vertical centre speaker.

Over the holidays I will be trying 2 M2's as centres (2 inches apart, vertical position, slightly toe'd out) to see if there is any gains to be had. I will take pics and post.....
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#331441 - 12/14/10 12:09 AM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: wbedford]
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Keep in mind that placing two speakers playing the same signal that close together could cause serious lobbing at certain frequencies. I noticed it when I tried it with a couple M22s. So you may have to play with how far apart you place them if you hear a noticeable change in SPL move from one side of the listening area to the other.

When possible a better configuration for two center speakers is one under and one over the screen. It keeps the horizontal dispersion from being an issue and perfectly centers the center channel image in the middle of the screen w/o having to use an AT screen.
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#331456 - 12/14/10 05:29 AM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: grunt]
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I noticed the same thing with my M22's as well Dean. One above and below does appear to be the best placement for dual centers.
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#331459 - 12/14/10 07:48 AM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: jakewash]
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I tried 2 pairs of M22's for Left and Right channels, and it sounded funny side by side. But when I vertically aligned them, well that worked and I still have them mounted on my wall that way.

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#331465 - 12/14/10 09:51 AM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: grunt]
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Originally Posted By: grunt
Keep in mind that placing two speakers playing the same signal that close together could cause serious lobbing at certain frequencies. I noticed it when I tried it with a couple M22s. So you may have to play with how far apart you place them if you hear a noticeable change in SPL move from one side of the listening area to the other.

When possible a better configuration for two center speakers is one under and one over the screen. It keeps the horizontal dispersion from being an issue and perfectly centers the center channel image in the middle of the screen w/o having to use an AT screen.



Thanks for the tip. I'll try top/bottom as well.
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#331681 - 12/15/10 09:26 PM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: wbedford]
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Bill, while you're at it, you might try simply placing one M2 on top of the other. Besides having both pointing forward, they could be swiveled into various toe-in/toe-out combinations.
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#332235 - 12/22/10 02:59 PM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: JohnK]
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I had to read this thread twice (and the one referenced in the first post once). Yhe m2 sounds better than the vp150. wow.

I get that people are saying the vertical arrangement is better - but what about the fact the vp150 has 3 more speakers? I guess they don't come into play?

I am seriously considering picking up some mains and a center in the next month or so. That is about a $260 savings over a vp150.

What about using an m3 instead of an m2?

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#332237 - 12/22/10 03:25 PM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: pheare]
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If you can accommodate a vertical center, all 3 should be the same across the front. The M3s will give you a bit more bass at the expense of a less pronounced mid-range compared to the M2s. It's all up to your taste.
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#332240 - 12/22/10 03:29 PM Re: In/on wall VP150 and M2 comparison [Re: pheare]
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Loc: It's all about the location.
"Better" is a relative comparison. Anytime you can run exactly the same speakers across the L/C/R, they'll virtually guarantee a seamless front. Horizontal centres are often the only option (esthetics) for a lot of people.
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