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Re: The new M60 V3.
Wid #332695 12/28/10 10:55 PM
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I thought you could order the M60's with dual binding posts for some extra cash($40), same as you can do with the VP180 or M80's, just checked it is there but you have to go through the "customize yours" section.


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Re: The new M60 V3.
cwsaona #332712 12/29/10 02:29 AM
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CW, welcome back. The M60v3 can have two sets of binding posts installed for a $40 premium(I had suggested that the premium be $1000). This is an essentially useless provision that could allow meaningless bi-wiring or bi-amping which isn't actually done in any significant numbers of home setups.

As to your present setup, if you've described it completely(and if we've understood what you've written), this is a bad practice, as Rick pointed out, and should be discontinued regardless of how long it's been in effect. The path of the power(voltage)flow would be from one amplifier down its wire and into the M60 and its connecting strip(which you surely have connected). Then, since the voltage doesn't know that you'd like it to go only into the speaker, it also goes from the connecting strip up the wire into the output stage of the other amplifier(regardless if it's off). The result should be at least increased distortion if not actual damage.


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Re: The new M60 V3.
JohnK #332730 12/29/10 04:10 AM
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Thanks...Well, I guess I have to go look for a Speaker selector which I Bet a simple one from rat shack will not do.

Re: The new M60 V3.
cwsaona #332733 12/29/10 04:20 AM
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If you are looking to get another set of M60s keep the ones you have for one system and the new one for the other.


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Re: The new M60 V3.
Wid #332762 12/29/10 07:18 PM
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If the OP has been running like this for 10 years, I find it hard to believe that he really needs to run out *today* and change his setup. If something were going to blow up, wouldn't it have done so by now?

He's running two amps, with two sets of wires, with (I assume) the bridging plates on the M60 intact. So each amp powers the whole speaker, but never both amps at the same time. I realize that the amps-don't-matter club* will find it incredulous that someone would actually want to do such a thing, but it's what the OP wants to do.

As to the original question, yes the new M60V3's don't come with the dual sets of posts by default. If you want to run your setup in the manner that you're accustomed to, Axiom can add the second set of posts of for a nominal fee.

*No need for debate, just stating a fact.

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Re: The new M60 V3.
PeterChenoweth #332787 12/29/10 11:43 PM
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JohnK is correct. The OP not damaging his equipment should consider himself lucky. He ran his system like this for 10 years and might be lucky enough to run it for another 10 years but the fact is that even if there is only 1 amp ON at the time, if they both share the same connection, there will be some leakage current going to the amp that is off. It's like feeding an amp through its output with very low current, never a good idea and susceptible to damage.


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Re: The new M60 V3.
bdpf #332925 12/31/10 05:48 AM
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I would also assume that if he buys new speakers and runs this type of setup that his warranty would be void...


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Re: The new M60 V3.
HAY #333133 01/01/11 09:44 PM
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After much research it seems that I was extremely lucky. I found more negatives than positives on this setup. My denon 3805 has a feature called Pure Direct which turns off the video processing and anything unnecessary when listening to stereo/analog but it always seemed off to me. and than I got hit with a Duh Stick. I have to turn off the bass management in Pure direct. Can someone tell me if this is the way to go? Will running my TT/PhonoPreamp/Denon3805/Denonpoa1500/axiomM60 degrade the sound in any way? Right now my phono preamp is in pieces because I'm changing the capacitors, adding audiophile 47k resistors and grid stoppers. I won't be able to hear any difference until I'm finished modding the Phono Pre.

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Re: The new M60 V3.
cwsaona #333154 01/02/11 03:26 AM
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CW, it isn't entirely clear what your "the way to go?" question refers to. I never use a direct or pure mode, since I want all processing possibilities available and there's no significant disadvantage. In a "pure" type of mode the noise floor is slightly lower, but this isn't meaningful since it's already below audibility at typical volume settings from the usual listening position.

If your question about the turntable setup refers to it being connected to the speaker at the same time, the previous problem still exists. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for it to "degrade" the sound to any extent other than might be inherent in that format as compared with the CD.


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Re: The new M60 V3.
Wid #333264 01/03/11 03:33 AM
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sounds to me like they removed the biamp/biwiring feature as a cost cutting measure. Most towers in the $1k/pair allow for bi-amping and this puts Axiom at a disadvantage IMO.

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