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Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
HuskerOmaha #333192 01/02/11 05:39 PM
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These are old pictures of when I was using my M22s as wide and the height are almost impossible to see since it’s black on black.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthre...true#Post288745

http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthre...true#Post309421


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Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
grunt #333205 01/02/11 06:41 PM
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I asked Chris (Audyssey) via PM on AVSforum what he thought about using a Dipole Speaker for Heights....waiting on feedback.

He also has this on the Audyssey website:

What speakers for Audyssey DSX Wides and Heights ?
Berkes Attila Oct-22 2010I have an entry level system / Onkyo TX-SR608 and a 5.1 with JBL S100 as front,S25C as center,S30 as surround,S250P as subwoofer speakers /.
I would like to add wide and high speakers.
In this case what JBL speakers ( possibly from the E or ES range ) do you suggest as wide and what for high ? ... what parameters matter when choosing the right wide and high speakers?


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Our recommendation is to use Wides and Heights that are from the same family as your front speakers.
This helps with timbre matching.
In your case, the fronts are towers so it's not always practical to add towers for Wides.
I would recommend using a pair of bookshelf speakers as the fronts for Wides and another for Heights.


I'll get some more feedback hopefully soon and be able to post it then.

Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
HuskerOmaha #333208 01/02/11 07:00 PM
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I asked Chris (Audyssey) via PM on AVSforum what he thought about using a Dipole Speaker for Heights....waiting on feedback.


Unless something has changed he will say to use direct radiating speakers for all positions as is the Audyssey standard. Their EQ algorithms don’t always play nice with mult-polar speakers so if your goal is prioritize Audyssey then don’t use multi-polar speakers anywhere even as surround or rear speakers. If your priority is to get the best sound from your system then listen to the various types of speakers in each position you are concerned about and decide for yourself what sounds best to you in your room based on price vs performance.

Buying speakers to match an EQ system is in the opinion of most people, except the makers of EQ systems, backwards. Buy the best speaker you like for the application and only after proper placement and possibly treatment then apply EQ.

In my experience EQ only works well below about 200Hz but YMMV.

Timbre matching the wide and mains as I mentioned above is critical since they share much of the same sonic information. The M2, M22 and M80 are a perfect timbre match to each other when the M22 and M2 are crossed over at 80Hz or above.

Timbre matching the height speakers may not be as important since they don’t share as much audio information with the mains and are generally placed farther away than the wides both of which reduce the need for perfect timbre matching. Still would be ideal to timbre match but mixing a different brand is doable if not to different sounding. Just as many people run QS8 surrounds with other brands of front speakers. IMO timbre matching surrounds is more important than heights because of the direct pans often handed off between the mains and surrounds.


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Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
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The M2, M22 and M80 are a perfect timbre match to each other when the M22 and M2 are crossed over at 80Hz or above.



Dean,

What about the M3's?

Dana


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Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
Dduval #333211 01/02/11 07:46 PM
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Dana,
I haven’t heard the M3s but from what I’ve read they are not as good a timbre match to the M80, M60, M22, M2 family. Sean should be bringing his M3s over next time he visits so we can to an A/B comparison.

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Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
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Thanks Dean,

Going with the M2's will save me a little money too.

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Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
Dduval #333226 01/02/11 08:54 PM
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Ya, Chris said user preference and results may change things: They just found better results utilizing direct radiators than dipole/bipole.

Good info though, I'm going to try both. Now just what to buy.

Re: Anyone done a 11.1 or 11.2 DSX type setup?
HuskerOmaha #333227 01/02/11 09:05 PM
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Ya, Chris said user preference and results may change things: They just found better results utilizing direct radiators than dipole/bipole.

As expected.

Remember, buy the speaker that sounds best to you in the role for which you want it and you will have a better sounding system than trying to match the speaker to what your EQ system prefers to play nice with. The QS and other multi-polar speakers are specifically designed to diffuse out the ambient sounds that DPLIIz and DSX pull out and route to the surrounds, backs and heights. Plus most multi-channel music I have only has ambient sounds from the venue mixed into the surround channels anyway.

So it really all comes down to price vs performance and preference either for direct radiating or multi-polar speakers in certain roles. Only you can decide what best fits your needs.


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widescreendude #333254 01/03/11 02:12 AM
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Onkyo TX NR 1007 tush photo

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Thanks Dr. House for the heads up on these great looking and reasonably priced fabric braided interconnects.


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Can I ask where you got those interconnects?thanks

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