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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
jakewash #336241 01/29/11 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: jakewash
I too went from a Sony to a Denon and the difference was very noticeable. I can remember thinking the dynamic range was better with the Denon, which would mean the Sony was very under powered for the volume levels I wanted. The Sony seemed to have a much flatter playback less noticeable highs and lows than the Denon.


Or, a frequency response that looked like a frowny face.

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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
CatBrat #336278 01/30/11 12:37 AM
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Possibly frown


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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
Ken.C #336416 01/31/11 06:34 PM
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Ken - I for one appreciated your song. Well done, sir.

Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
davidsch #336417 01/31/11 06:47 PM
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Thanks, David. I was feeling a little bummed about that...


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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
Ken.C #336418 01/31/11 07:23 PM
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I started typing "What song?" when I scrolled up to see it. I don't know how I missed it, but yes, that's really well done!

Now I have to go put on my "Love" SACD! smile


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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
MarkSJohnson #336420 01/31/11 07:36 PM
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Mostly because I posted it on Friday night and then some *#&!ing serious responses went up. What do you people think you're doing, being helpful and useful? Yeesh. I'm trying to be silly here.


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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
Ken.C #336421 01/31/11 08:05 PM
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I suspect a conspiracy.


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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
JohnK #336431 01/31/11 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: JohnK
Yeah, Dan; that sort of "review", describing in glowing terms the "sound" of a piece of electronic equipment, can't be taken seriously. If the amplification process is understood, it's clear that all that's happening is that enough voltage is being added from the power supply section to make the small incoming voltage about 30 times stronger. If this is done with flat frequency response and inaudibly low noise and distortion(typical in even modestly-priced units these days), the result is transparent amplification without any added sound characteristic, and no amplifier, regardless of whether it costs $200 or $200,000, can do more than this.

The editor of The Audio Critic summarizes this very well in "Electronic Signal Paths Do Not Have a Personality!" . Of course where such reviewers lack the equipment or technical knowledge to provide meaningful measurements, they're reduced to operating on a "Just trust your ears" level, which is hopelessly flawed when not done under carefully-controlled blind listening conditions.


I like JohnK. He is very knowledgeable about audio matters. However, I think that he is a man blinded or deafened by faith - faith that an amplifier is a straight wire with gain. This is an ideal never reached. John usually qualifies his mantra by urging that all "properly designed" solid state amplifiers sound the same. Ultimately, JohnK is speaking of a tautology. All amplifiers which sound the same - sound the same. The corollary to this flawed axiom is that if you think you hear a difference, you are deluded, or kidding yourself, or a true believer who has confabulated a result based on expectations.

As there may be many mansions in someone's house, there are many solid state amplifiers in mine. They do not sound the same. Now, the differences are subtle but audible. My used Harman Kardon PM665 is my current favorite. I've swapped everything I have, sources, speakers amps, and the HK just sounds sweeter than my other wonderful and much appreciated amps - Kenwood KA9100, Yamaha M80s, Integra M504, Anthem PVA, Muse T-Amp.

Trust your ears, not theory.

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soundstage
punch
attack
dissipation
timbre
air

does your Sony amp really reproduce these audio qualities as well as an HK, or Bryston, Ayre? Really? Really?




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Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
2x6spds #336435 01/31/11 09:59 PM
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You forgot scintillation.

Re: Receiver/Amplifier Reviews
pmbuko #336437 01/31/11 10:09 PM
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What does exfoliating have to do with this, Peter?


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