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#336979 - 02/03/11 10:56 PM Got this great deal on MK750's
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I was going to buy a set of M22's ,but then came across this ebay listing. M&K THX750's. Now MK 750 went for $1499 a pair here in Nova Scotia a few years back. Something I could probably not afford to buy, specially when needing a centre channel and rears and side rears. How ever he had them listed at $405 BIN. so anyways to make it short, M22 or M&K ....sorry, but these are one wicked speaker so I ended up getting them for $375 plus $150 shipping. better yet, I mentioneed shipping was $75 according to the FED Ex site. Well I get this call from Albany, it is him he is at Fed Ex and they want $150 shipping. I mentioned it is up to him, but I can't send anymore money for another two weeks. He said no problem he doesn't need it send it later when I get his centre channel
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#336980 - 02/03/11 11:01 PM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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.hese are in Maple another rare item here. I know MK went bankrupt in 2007, however they are back and new products, there are the new versions 6 months old. HIs wife doesn't like Maple and said for him to sell them and get Black. So, anyways I get all three for $800 shipping incl.

Still going to get M80's for music. But, I guess what I want to know is, for the rear backs speakers ,in 7.2 do you use di-poles or direct ( basically QS8 or M22 ). I am asking because these are rated THX Select and I was told or read that you are better off with DI(tri)-pole for surround sides and possibly a matching 750 for the rears ?
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#337013 - 02/04/11 10:35 AM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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Hi Axiom man,

Back in the early days of Dolby Surround (before Dolby Digital), when the surround channel was a mono feed, THX was really big on using dipole surrounds to create a diffuse "null" (cancellation) in the listening area, to increase surround envelopment and prevent the mono surround info from in-head imaging. I always found the dipole surrounds very "phasey", as if the speakers were out of phase and never liked them. It puzzles me why THX continues to hype dipole designs.

My preference has always been for bipolar surrounds such as Axiom's QS8s, where all the drivers operate in phase. With Dolby Digital, where the surround information is in stereo, there is no need for dipole surrounds.

You'll get a greater sense of envelopment using the QS8s in the surround back channels rather than direct-radiating designs.

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#337173 - 02/05/11 08:59 AM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: alan]
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Thanks Alan ..
So even though I have MK 750 THX up for my front three by using QS8 it would be OK.
I guess what I am saying is, mix and matching MK fronts with QS8's for the rears. Or even THX speakers in the front and non-THX for sides and rears ?
I guess, really I will find out the difference someday as I still want my M80's for my front music channel.
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#337177 - 02/05/11 09:58 AM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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It is best to have matching speakers all around, but this is more important up front.
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#337186 - 02/05/11 10:24 AM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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Hi again,

As Sir Quack mentioned, tonally matched speakers all-round is most desirable, however, the surround speakers are much less critical in that regard. In my experience, M&K speakers are pretty neutral and good, so the QS8s should nicely blend with your front M&Ks.

By the way, in many respects, THX--at least for home aud
audio and home theater speakers -- is just a royalty-generating scheme for its founders. Some of the THX-endorsed brands of speakers I found quite colored and not neutral. (That is not true of M&K).

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#337316 - 02/06/11 09:57 PM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: alan]
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Thanks Alan and yes I know SirQ.

I understand the THX is mostly Royalty scheme, but it is still a standard to which speaker performance has to abtain.
I heard the older model 750's a few years ago and absoluetly loved them. It was either these or M22's and IMHO I like the MK750' s quite a bit better. That does not mean I like them Better than the M80, but I paid less than half and right now I can better afford them.
Actually, for movies I love them but, I am not sure I like those surround sides.
Which is why I was wondering if, the QS8's would sound great there or if it was be too much a difference in tonal match. I quite don't see how they are any different than having a M80 and QS8's.
I don't really like a floorstanding for home theatre and a bookshelf for a centre. There's a tonal difference !!!! I like all three up front to be identical and whereas, Home theatre needs a sub, I really don't care if the speakers go below 80 hz or not as that's where my sub is set to take over. However that said I don't like a sub with music. And with the floorstanding M80's sposably they go below 35hz , I don't listen to opera mostly rock and not sure of a instrument that goes below 30hz anyways, so the sub is usless
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#337317 - 02/06/11 10:02 PM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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Then why did you ask the question if you knew the answer about matchine speakers, usually a ? means your asking a question, sorry.
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#337328 - 02/06/11 11:30 PM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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Originally Posted By: axiom_man
I don't really like a floorstanding for home theatre and a bookshelf for a centre. There's a tonal difference !!!! I like all three up front to be identical and whereas, Home theatre needs a sub, I really don't care if the speakers go below 80 hz or not as that's where my sub is set to take over. However that said I don't like a sub with music. And with the floorstanding M80's sposably they go below 35hz , I don't listen to opera mostly rock and not sure of a instrument that goes below 30hz anyways, so the sub is usless


Not sure what this rant is about, do you or do you not have the VP150 with M80Ti's (a guess as to the MT80 in the sig)? If you think a bookshelf sounds different than the M80's then you should already be hearing that same tonal difference with the VP150 or is that the point?
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#337347 - 02/07/11 10:52 AM Re: Got this great deal on MK750's [Re: axiom_man]
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I'm also somewhat uncertain about what your question is. I'm not trying to argue you out of getting the M&K speakers at the front. I was just telling you that the THX endorsement is no assurance of getting smooth, linear and transparent sound quality. I have no argument with the THX requirement of three identical speakers across the front; it's just that it's impractical in many homes and installations. It's also why Axiom developed the no-compromise VP180 center for those who can accomodate its size.

To reiterate, yes, the Axiom QS8 surrounds at the sides or rear will blend beautifully with the M&K speakers at the front.

In passing, the M80 floorstanders have useful output in a room to about 25 Hz. For the record, the only instruments with significant content below 30 Hz are the concert grand piano (28 Hz for all but one Austrian model with extra keys at 16 Hz); large pipe organ, 16 Hz, but the latter is very low level and the 2nd harmonic at 32 Hz is much stronger; and orchestral bass drum, depending on the diameter of the drum.
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