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#338478 - 02/14/11 10:22 PM Possible Sub Upgrade
Nashvegas Rocks Offline
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Registered: 04/13/10
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Thanks for reading, I am considering upgrading my current sub because its a man thing to do. However i am wondering if I will get any benefit. Currently i have a SVS PB 12 and keep the volume knob at about 11 o'clock and have the DB on my AVR at -5 for most tv watching and take it to zero for movies.

With that being said I am obviously not utilizing all the power i currently have but feel there could be some time when an extra ooomph would be nice. my room is 15 X 17 X 10 with 3 walls in front and it being open in the rear (its a bonus room). Possible upgrades are SVS PB12 Plus/Ultra or EP 500. This discussion isn't between which of the three but more of if I even need to because another option is M80's but that will really boil the wifes water. Thanks for any and all feedback.
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#338485 - 02/14/11 11:01 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: Nashvegas Rocks]
tomtuttle Offline
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I'd get M80's and a VP180 instead of upgrading the sub.

But you know, the temperature of your wife's water doesn't really matter to me wink
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#338486 - 02/14/11 11:02 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: Nashvegas Rocks]
Adrian Offline
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If it were me, since you already have an SVS sub I'd probably keep with the same if you want to add a second one to the mix. A pair of M80s would be nice too!
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#338493 - 02/14/11 11:13 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: Adrian]
Nashvegas Rocks Offline
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I love it, your like those guys at the bar

"yea one more shot wont hurt, your already in trouble"
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VP100
QS4's
SVS PB12-NSD
Denon 2310CI
Panasonic P58S2
Panasonic P50S2

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#338508 - 02/14/11 11:31 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: Nashvegas Rocks]
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I found the upgrade of my crappy 15yr old sub to a PB12nsd made the biggest improvement in SQ, then I quickly went to a PB13 Ultra and the improvement to me was once again a step up. I then added M80s and this was yet another noticeable improvement in SQ. If I were to do it again I would get the M80s first then add the bigger/badder sub as that midrange punch/feel the M80s can add, IMO, is worth the cost and the M22's can be repurposed into another smaller system very easily.
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#338511 - 02/14/11 11:49 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: jakewash]
Nashvegas Rocks Offline
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Jakewash,

this sounds very logical (m80 route) and trust me my M22's aren't going anywhere. Friends/family know i spent good money on a setup and almost seem disappointed that i don't have LARGE towers. Disappointed until they hear it.

I think the midrange is the area i need the most help in. I have to admit i still like the 50-80 hz that most "Sub" woofers from the box stores excel in. This was the biggest adjustment for me when getting the PB 12. would my denon be ok pushing the larger speakers?
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#338515 - 02/15/11 12:14 AM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: Nashvegas Rocks]
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I don't think you'd have any problem using your Denon with M80's.
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#338625 - 02/15/11 07:58 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: tomtuttle]
jakewash Offline
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Your 2310 will work, I drove my M80s with a Denon 1804 before I picked up my 3808, another M80 owner I know uses a 2105, you should be good for awhile with the 2310, at least till upgradeitis strikes again wink.

I made a typo when I said midrange, I meant to say upper bass. The midrange on the M22 and M80 is nearly identical.

The PB12 actually has a bit of a bass bump around 50-60hz which gives it a little more punchy feel than other subs I have heard. The box store subs generally, have a loose bloated bass that echoes on forever which can be OK for movies, but terrible for music, IMO.
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#338631 - 02/15/11 09:44 PM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: jakewash]
Nashvegas Rocks Offline
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Quote:
I made a typo when I said midrange, I meant to say upper bass. The midrange on the M22 and M80 is nearly identical.


I knew what you meant. I think i have some sort of conclusion, since i do have uprageitus (sp) i am going to wait until i am going M80 and a 150 so that i can put a 3.1 setup downstairs.
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M22's
VP100
QS4's
SVS PB12-NSD
Denon 2310CI
Panasonic P58S2
Panasonic P50S2

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#339024 - 02/18/11 06:11 AM Re: Possible Sub Upgrade [Re: tomtuttle]
SRoode Offline
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Loc: Fishers, Indiana, USA
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I'd get M80's and a VP180 instead of upgrading the sub.


I agree with what Tom said.

Your current sub is flat down to 18Hz, so I don't think there is much bang for the buck there in a change out. Going from bookshelves to floorstanding mains would make a big difference in sound, as well as going from the VP100 to VP180.
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