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#340962 - 03/06/11 06:19 PM Should we trust Audyssey ?
Philippe Offline
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I actually own a simple 3.0 setep so nothing complicated to make audyssey work hard in calculation. Anyhow i have always run my setup from my receiver manual. So this afternoon i have run my audyssey multeq xt32 from my receiver.

Front : Full Band
Center : 60hz

Right : -4.5db
Center : -2.5db
Left : -5.5db

Ok, so i have a symmetric room so i wonder why left speaker have -1.0db less. Also VP150 isn't made to get that low (Freq Resp +/-3dB (Hz): 85 - 20 kHz) according to Axiom specs.
I haven't run test myself to see if i get better result, but i would like to see if Audyssey is popular and if people leave it or keep it on.

So, should we trust Audyssey ?

Thank.
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#340963 - 03/06/11 06:27 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: Philippe]
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Loc: It's all about the location.
Depends on where the mic was placed and how many measurements were taken, the furniture, windows, rug, one speaker toed in more ect. lots of variables.

Audyssey seems to be a love-or-hate thing with people. It's worked for me.
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#340965 - 03/06/11 07:14 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: Adrian]
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Make sure you take as many positions as the system allows, that will give you a better result. If Audyssey sets your VP150 it's because you're benefiting from room gain and it can play those frequencies in your room. I like to use Audyssey for the calculations of distance and channel level. I would then change the crossover to my liking. Most of the time I listen at moderate level so I like to have DynEQ on (and therefore MultiEQ) so it makes the bass more audible since the human ear is more sensitive to high frequencies. When my family is sleeping I also have Dyn Vol on to keep it quite. However, when I have the house for myself and usually listen at higher volume, I turn Audyssey off as I find it to sound more natural that way. Really, I like it better off but both DynEQ and DynVol are very useful features that unfortunately (IMO) can only be used when using MultiEQ.
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#340967 - 03/06/11 07:43 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: bdpf]
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Audyssey is very accurate, if the measurements are taken correctly in a silent room. Position is important, for ex, you don't want to take measurements "outside" of the speakers locations, you need to be "within" a bubble of the seating locations.

Also, it looks for the -3dB point of each speaker and reports that back to the receiver. So it is not suprising if you mains and center get a "large" or low frequency reading. But, even Audyssey says if the receiver, not Audyssey, sets a speaker to large, if you have a sub, you should change that speaker to "small" and possibly bump up the crossover to 80hz. Never lower a crossover setting.

The dB level readings, as well as distance is not big deal if they are slightly different, all rooms are different.
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#340971 - 03/06/11 09:18 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: SirQuack]
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I personally followed the video guide below for setup after much trail and error. Since I followed this guide I haven't had to redo calibration. I couldn't have ask for better sound!



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#340972 - 03/06/11 09:37 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: Dduval]
Philippe Offline
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I might so some test about audyssey on/off to see if i can ear the difference. But like i said, a 3.0 system might not give auddysey what that was created for...
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#340973 - 03/06/11 09:37 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: Philippe]
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Originally Posted By: Philippe

So, should we trust Audyssey ?


doveryai, no proveryai

Originally Posted By: Alan Lofft

Also (and I've said it before here many times) Audyssey and other auto-setup/EQ systems are error-prone so don't rely on their settings as absolute. If your ears tell you otherwise, then play with the crossover settings and the Small/Large settings. It varies so much with room size and with speaker location.


http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthre...true#Post305222

Conventional wisdom is a simplified way of doing things for the masses. It makes things easy for John Q. Public by not presenting him with to many options. I submit that if you bought Axiom or most other well regarded speakers you are not that average Joe and would benefit from trying out all aspects of your system, including Audyssey. Other conventional Audyssey wisdom is to use only direct radiating speakers in all positions, including surround and back, which precludes the use of Axiom QS speakers which not only are Bipole design but further complicate EQ calculations by having drivers facing in 4 rather than 2 or 3 directions like most Bipole speakers.

Please try out Audyssey. You may find that you like what it does. You may find that you like the Audyssey “Flat Curve” better than the “Audyssey Curve.” You may find that you like what Audyssey does for your bass but not the mid-range or highs. In the end you should be the one to determine what sounds best to you not me, another person or a consensus of opinion on an internet forum.

Cheers,
Dean



Edited by grunt (03/06/11 09:40 PM)
Edit Reason: Axiom doesn't do Cyrillic
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#340976 - 03/06/11 10:07 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: grunt]
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Nice video find Dana, that is a good introduction 101 for folks wanting to make sure they get started correctly with Audyssey. In my opinion, if run correctly, there really is no reason not to incorporate Audyssey if it is a feature of your AVR.

Unfortunately, Audyssey is sometimes compared or placed in the same category of other inferior setup calibration products on the market and said to be "error-prone". This is an opinion and there is always an opposite opinion. It does not make good speakers like Axiom sound worse, actually it is the opposite.
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#340977 - 03/06/11 10:10 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: SirQuack]
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Quote:

Unfortunately, Audyssey is sometimes compared or placed in the same category of other inferior setup calibration products on the market and said to be "error-prone". This is an opinion and there is always an opposite opinion. It does not make good speakers like Axiom sound worse, actually it is the opposite.


The highlighted portion is also an opinion which not all share.
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#340979 - 03/06/11 10:59 PM Re: Should we trust Audyssey ? [Re: grunt]
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Originally Posted By: grunt
Quote:

Unfortunately, Audyssey is sometimes compared or placed in the same category of other inferior setup calibration products on the market and said to be "error-prone". This is an opinion and there is always an opposite opinion. It does not make good speakers like Axiom sound worse, actually it is the opposite.


The highlighted portion is also an opinion which not all share.


The other highlighted portion in an opinion I am in agreement with smile
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