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Nothing can or will be free in an evil capitalist society involving people that will exploit everything and everyone that it they can. Fixed. Put people in the mix and there will be exploitation. We are all evil captialists (ie: selfish) at heart. Ah, social darwinism..... There's no truth to the selfish gene? There are numerous groups of peoples around the world that live altruistically, like our common ancestors. Tribes, and mennonites are perfect examples. Human beings have evolved to the point where we can understand the selfish genes that shaped us. Being conscious of this, every time we do some form of charity work, an altruistic act etc., we are overcoming natural selection. "Our evolved brains empower us to rebel against our selfish genes"-Richard Dawkins Call me Huxley .
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I highly doubt our common ancestors lived in social Altruism. It is easy to look at the past through rose coloured glasses to pick and choose what we like. Tribes are an interesting choice of example. Internally very supportive, externally very opportunistic. There is a very clear division of Us and Them and very clear rules for dealing with the two. "Our evolved brains empower us to rebel against our selfish genes"-Richard Dawkins Hmm... but what do we do with that empowerment. How many people even think about this stuff? Back to you Huxley.
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I highly doubt our common ancestors lived in social Altruism. It is easy to look at the past through rose coloured glasses to pick and choose what we like. When I said "common ancestors" I was referring to the ape. Chimpanzees are extremely altruistic and consoling. "Our evolved brains empower us to rebel against our selfish genes"-Richard Dawkins Hmm... but what do we do with that empowerment. How many people even think about this stuff? What do we do with that empowerment? We are altruistic, caring etc. That's precisely what Dawkins is saying in that quote. There's obviously bad people in the world that are empowered in vicious ways, but that has nothing to do with what Dawkins is talking about. This empowerment that he mentions, gives us the capacity to be the exact opposite type of person. Huxley was just for a laugh BTW, Fred :-). He popped into my head because there was mention of him in a documentary and I watched on Thursday.
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When I said "common ancestors" I was referring to the ape. Chimpanzees are extremely altruistic and consoling. Well, the pedant in me must point out that they are not a common ancestor, and in fact may not be our closes relative. Chimps are also capable of waging war and have been observed doing so. They are also capable of murder, bribery (food for sex being one form) playing favorites and a number of other not so nice human characteristics. You should check out some of the more recent research. National Geographic did an excellent piece on chimps not long ago. As to Dawkins, he is not particularly altruistic or charitable toward the 'tribe' antithetical to his own atheist tribe. What say you now Huxley old chap?
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Chimpanzees are extremely altruistic and consoling. Within their own clan. They can be quite quite the bastard warriors against chimps from other clans. They also hunt and eat other primates. I think it's time to stop using other primates as examples to be looked up to, Cam.
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Cam writes:
When I said "common ancestors" I was referring to the ape. Chimpanzees are extremely altruistic and consoling.
Gee, Cam, no ape (pongidae) is a common ancestor of human beings.
Chimps altruistic and consoling? Yeah, no, they're not. They'll gladly bite your face off and shtupp you up the tuchas.
Huey Newton, freedom fighter? No, murderer.
Che Guevara, freedom fighter? No, a mass murderer.
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That penguin of yours isn't too kind, himself, 2x6.
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Those are trained attack penguins, in case you hadn't noticed.
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