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#343552 - 03/29/11 10:15 AM M22s on a tube amplifier
Spatulaman Offline
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I’m considering the M22 for a stereo listening area. The setup will start with a Onkyo stereo amp Sony SACD player and Pro-ject RM 1.3 turntable. In 6-9 months I will be upgrading to a Jolida JD102B tube amp . My questions are:

1. How well do the M22, or any Axiom bookshelves, do with tube amps?
2.Are the M3’s a better choice? (I listen to mostly jazz, with a 50/50 split between instrumentals (Davis, Trane, Ray Brown) and vocal (Ella, Vaughan, Diane Krall))

Thanks in advance for the info.

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#343596 - 03/29/11 02:19 PM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: Spatulaman]
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I have both the M3s and the M22s, and while I really like the M3s, I love the M22s. That said, I run them both with a sub. If I wasn't using the sub I may have to go with the M3. And that's pretty much what Axiom will suggest too; as the M3 has a slight mid-bass bump in it's frequency curve.

To be honest, if I couldn't run a sub I'd probably find a way to run M60s.

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#343619 - 03/29/11 09:55 PM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: Cork]
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The M22s look funny and I suspect most tube amps would have an easier time driving the M3 due to its simpler crossover.

I have been using my M3 with a tube amp and it sounds great. I think I have plenty of bass for music but of course we all have different tastes.
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#343622 - 03/29/11 09:59 PM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: Spatulaman]
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Spatch, welcome. It's curious to refer to the Jolida as an "upgrade"(except in cost), since it doesn't have the capability with its output of about 20 watts to drive average sensitivity speakers(such as the Axioms)to clean levels which typical solid state receivers rated anywhere around 100 watts have. Tube distortion is still distortion, and distortion isn't high fidelity.

I'd suggest that the M22s which I use(almost entirely on classical)would also be a better choice on jazz, having a flatter, more accurate upper bass/lower mid-range.
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#343623 - 03/29/11 10:10 PM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: JohnK]
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Can you afford to order both speakers at the same time and return the pair that you favor less?
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#343638 - 03/30/11 02:40 AM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: Lampshade]
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JohnK, have you ever listened to a modern tube amp?

I have a bunch of amps and without a doubt the sweetest sounding is my 5 wpc SET tube amp.

Now,to yor question, I found that with only 5 wpc of tube amplification the M3s sound much better than the M22s.

M3s with a sub powered by this 5 wpc tube amp is as close to audio nirvanna as I've come.
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#343639 - 03/30/11 05:26 AM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: Lampshade]
Spatulaman Offline
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Thanks for the replies. I'm a fan of tubes, IMO they sound better.

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#343665 - 03/30/11 01:38 PM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: Spatulaman]
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My M22s sound great with jazz playing. I have heard them with a Jolida 302B that I borrowed from my brother-in-law and I loved the combination. I will say that I have always used a sub with these speakers though. I am right there with you on the Miles and Trane. Try Christian Scott if you haven't heard of him yet.

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#343667 - 03/30/11 01:53 PM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: davidsch]
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I find jazz instrumental to be the best sounding genre of music to play on the M3's. The M3's have an upper bass hump at around 100hz that works well with jazz instrumental. On the other hand it hurts other recordings. I find the M3's can give fat/unnatural sounding qualities to male vocals at times (Kurt Elling). Though, jazz music in general I find the M3's excel best.

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#343708 - 03/31/11 01:51 AM Re: M22s on a tube amplifier [Re: BlueJays1]
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I like the M3s with female vocals but men can sound a bit chesty.

If you want to hear something outrageous, grab Loreena McKennett's Elemental and a pair of M3s (sub mandatory-I'd cross it over at 100Hz), a SET tube amp and ... well, I tell you what, that there's audio nirvana boy.
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