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#345473 - 04/19/11 10:39 AM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: Adrian]
michael_d Offline

Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 4114
Loc: Up yonder
Tom -

I put your tire sizes into both sights; Tirerack and Discount Tire. Both have different brands available. I filtered high performance, Z rated, all season.

You have lot's of choices. Some brands I've never heard of. Some brands that I know make a good tire, and some brands that I know make shity tires. The tires I'd be looking at in order of price, (with mileage rating if shown), are:

Michelin PS A/S Plus - $714 (45,000 mile warranty)
Bridgestone Potenza RE 760 Sport - $630
Yokahama Advan S.4 - $598
BFG G-force Super Sport - $550 (35,000 mile warranty)
Continental DWS - $536 (50,000 mile warranty)
Yokahama Avid - $510 (45,000 mile warranty)
Nitto Invo - $486
Dunlop SP - $482

I do not know a whole lot about these tires through personal experience. I do know that the Z06 and ZR1 guys really like the Nitto Invo for all around 'all season' performance. They also mention Michelin a lot. They do not mention the Mich AS much, as they tend to prefer the regular PS2 for the track and the AS does not have a lot of size options for the Z's. I have never used Continental, but if JohnK likes them, I'm certain they will be good tires. I, like Adrian, have had good luck with Yoko's on trucks, but I have no idea if their car tires are any good. I have always liked BFG's, on either car or truck. Great tire, usually great value. I wouldn't buy GY or Firestone tires for my car, period. I've had too much bad luck with both over the years. Dunlop makes great tires. Don't let the price fool you. Their drag tires are all over the place. I've not used Pirelli before, but some people like them. They've always been overly expenive (the most usually).

If you would like, I can ask a question on the Z06 forum about this. Most, if not all of them, have a few other cars in their stable.

#345486 - 04/19/11 11:56 AM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: michael_d]
tomtuttle Offline

Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8462
Loc: Tacoma
Wow. Thanks, Mike. That was very kind of you to spend so much time.

All those prices are plus mounting/balancing/disposal/etc, right?

I'm still scared of how soft the Nittos seem to be. I'm sure they would be fun, but I need them to be fun for more than 7,000 miles, if you know what I mean.

I've heard good things about the Bridgestones and Yokohama S.4. Seems like the Michelin PS A/S get mixed reviews from the SLK guys.

I don't want to incite anybody, but I might want to factor in country of manufacture in my criteria. I haven't looked that up for any of these, although I do have some suspicions. Does anybody KNOW whether any of these models are made in North America?

I hadn't really strongly considered the Dunlops. Interesting.

Has anyone actually used the Tirerack deal where you buy tires from them and have them shipped to some local independent for installation? It's an interesting concept, but I wasn't familiar with any of the shops that showed up on their preferred list in my area.
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#345488 - 04/19/11 12:41 PM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: tomtuttle]
michael_d Offline

Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 4114
Loc: Up yonder
Well I am researching tires for my own needs too Tom, so it's no biggy. Ya, the Nitto's don't last teribly long. The Invo's do last longer than mine, the NT05's. I think I can get about 10,000 miles out of mine, maybe. But I doubt I'll put more than 2000 miles a year on the car, if that. Nitto's are made in Japan. I have not checked the others.

#345501 - 04/19/11 03:23 PM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: tomtuttle]
Craig_P Offline

Registered: 12/06/02
Posts: 158
Loc: Ottawa, Ontario
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
Has anyone actually used the Tirerack deal where you buy tires from them and have them shipped to some local independent for installation? It's an interesting concept, but I wasn't familiar with any of the shops that showed up on their preferred list in my area.

Yep. Bought my winter wheel/tire combo this way. Smooth and easy. Since I bought wheels as well, the tires came mounted and balanced. Basically you get an email saying they've shipped, then one once they've arrived. At this point, you contact the installer to make the appointment. Hard to beat TireRack's prices, and from what I've read, their service is excellent (if there's any problems afterwards).

#345503 - 04/19/11 03:42 PM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: Adrian]
RickF Offline

Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 5210
Loc: Vero Beach, Florida
Originally Posted By: Adrian
Personally, I don't really like Michelins. Always thought they were overpriced compared to most other brands, probably to support their racing program, and no better quality.

Adrian I ran Michelins for years and years on all of my 3/4 ton pickup trucks and haven't found anything else that would last nearly as long. I don't know much about their car tires but several guys I know run them on their trucks and they are also very happy with them.

I now have Nitto TerraGrapplers on my truck and that's only because I'm not running it up and down the highway everyday, otherwise it would be another set of Michelins.
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#345524 - 04/19/11 07:07 PM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: RickF]
Adrian Offline

Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6772
Loc: It's all about the location.
Last time I bought tires(for my last Silverado), the tire guy sold a number of brands including both Michelins and Toyos and he actually recommended the less expensive Toyos($180) over the Michelins($230). There's a lot of good tires out there, but imo, some charge too much because of their expensive marketing campaigns(advertising/racing/blimps!!). The only tire I recall having problems with were from General(owned Bridgestone, Dunlop, Uniroyal, Toyo, General, Firestone...)
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#345548 - 04/19/11 10:27 PM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: tomtuttle]
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Registered: 05/11/02
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Yeah, Tom; on two recent occasions I bought from Tire Rack and had them shipped to one of their local recommended installers. Price and service were both excellent, and it's likely that all my future tire buys will be handled that way.

One thing to check in comparing installation prices is to see if lifetime(of the tires, not you)balancing and rotation is included.

It appears that NS Performance would be a good outfit for putting the DWSs or whatever on a Mercedes.

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#345559 - 04/19/11 11:35 PM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: JohnK]
medic8r Offline

Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 6459
Loc: Fredericksburg, Virginia
Last time I got tires, my local NTB matched the Tire Rack price. I bought a five year alignment program (paid for itself in the first year) and got free rotation AND alignments every time I got an oil change.

I'm in the market for new tires myself, so I am reading with interest. My five year alignment expired last month, and I am thinking of going with a local chain that has a low price guarantee plus no additional (mounting/stem/etc/etc) fees.
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#345572 - 04/20/11 07:59 AM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: medic8r]
CatBrat Offline

Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 6015
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
Man. You people are so passe. I bought new tires last year.

#345577 - 04/20/11 09:51 AM Re: Small Car recommendations... [Re: CatBrat]
DarkPathSignal Offline

Registered: 11/08/05
Posts: 1231
Loc: Holbrook, MA
I have Michelin Primacy Mxv4 and they are the best tires I have ever had.
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