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Re: replacing vp150 with m2
turbo16v #336156 01/29/11 02:39 AM
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Chet, this suddenly quite long thread probably doesn't really need a comment from me, but I'll say that my experience is that a small, but high quality vertical center speaker, such as the M2, gives excellent results. There's no need to be concerned about "keeping up" with large tower mains unless those mains are being played at a dangerously loud level. If so, "turn the damn things down!".


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Re: replacing vp150 with m2
JohnK #336158 01/29/11 02:53 AM
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Thanks for all the great responses and ideas. I will post some pics when I get it setup smile

Re: replacing vp150 with m2
turbo16v #341636 03/11/11 01:57 AM
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Is there much of a difference between the VP150v 2 and the v3? I've thought about upgrading my 150 but don't have room for a 180 and no room for verticals. My vp150 is ok but could be a bit better so wondering how the v3 would compare?

Re: replacing vp150 with m2
DanielBMe #341656 03/11/11 04:47 AM
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I believe the difference would be minimal.


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Re: replacing vp150 with m2
jakewash #342581 03/19/11 04:07 AM
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Well I ordered an M2HGC last week so I should have some thoughts in a week or so. Along with some new pics. smile
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Re: REPLACED VP150 with M2
turbo16v #343896 04/02/11 03:47 AM
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So I got the new M2HGC set up on a temporary shelf and
re-calibrated everything(couple questions). My daughter was watching with us so we watched toy story 3 smile. The off axis response is so so so much better than the vp150. I could actually hear dialog cleanly on the side couch. Its going to take some more movies to really get an idea of how its going to sound all around, but so far I think I made a good decision. Its funny how tinny it looks next to the m80's. smile

My question is on my processor when I start playing pink noise through each speaker and setting them to 75db. Is there a certain volume to start at? My adjustments were within + or - 3 of 0.0 in the setup so I didn't have to move them to much. I can't change the master volume when I am in the manual setup mode. So in order to "start" at a certain volume I would have to exit out and volume up then go back into setup and check it..maybe thats not necessary I don't know.
Also why is 75db used?

I wish my m80's had the new magnetic grills....SO NICE!

Re: REPLACED VP150 with M2
turbo16v #343899 04/02/11 04:25 AM
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Very good, Chet. In calibrating manually(I'd suggest using auto-calibration when available)most{all?)receivers put out a test tone that's 30dB below the 105dB maximum "reference"level that movie soundtracks are supposed to be recorded at. So, if that tone measures 75dB at a convenient reference point(often 0 on the scale, but not necessarily)then the setup is properly calibrated to play the sound at the reference level when the volume is set to 0 or whatever the reference point for the calibration was. For home use the reference level is generally considered too high for a steady diet and a setting 10 or more dB lower is common, resulting in a maximum level on peaks of no more than 95dB. The low frequency effects(LFE)occasionally present during movies are in a separate channel usually assigned to the sub, if available, and have a maximum level 10dB higher than the regular soundtrack.

It can also be noted that music recordings have no standard "reference" level and can vary widely in the volume setting required for a given loudness level.


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Re: REPLACED VP150 with M2
JohnK #343909 04/02/11 12:07 PM
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does anyone know the reason sound engineers can't apply some kind of standard volume level for music cd's?

some of mine play with my preamp's volume set around -10dB and one i got just a few weeks ago - La Cherga-Fake No More - plays at -25 dB. A very large difference...which i've always found as being stupid and totally unnecessary.

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J. B. #343913 04/02/11 03:52 PM
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Because in the last several years, audio engineers and the people that do the Mastering have been trying to make the recordings as loud as possible, compressing the dynamic range to nil. This makes the average volume much, much higher.

In the past, CDs were mastered in such a way that the peaks of the wide dynamic range stayed under 0dB, making the overall recording "quieter".

I have no sympathy for these assholes. Charged with the responsibility of capturing/recording an artist, they compromise the quality for what they perceive as profit.

Google "Loudness War".


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Re: REPLACED VP150 with M2
MarkSJohnson #343915 04/02/11 05:33 PM
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I have some older cd's from the late 80's when CD's were 'new' and I can't play anything off them using a 'shuffle' mode, they are just too quiet to use with newer music. I love the dynamics I have on these cd's so I just listen to those albums on their own.

It's enlightening to watch the log when ripping these cd's with EAC, it will tell you the max loudness on the cd. Those older cd's come in around 80% compared to 100 for the newer stuff.


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