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#347452 - 05/07/11 01:22 PM VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ?
ghost271 Offline
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I've been noticing that dialogue out of my VP150 isn't that clear if you're sitting off axis. I was wondering if the VP180 has solved this issue, or if I should go with the Klipsch horn in their RC-64 ?
My mains are M-60s with QS8s as surrounds.
My setup sounds awesome when sitting directly in front but really starts to lack when sitting to the sides.
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#347453 - 05/07/11 01:30 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: ghost271]
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you want your front 3 speakers to be the same brand. I really liked my previous 150 that I had for a few years, and current 100 upstairs. don't notice any off axis issues in my larger rooms. I did upgrade my 150 to a 180, just to have better matching for my m80's, and it works very well and provides more impact overall.
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#347455 - 05/07/11 01:51 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: SirQuack]
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There is still a drop of SPLs when listening to the VP180 but less noticeable than with the VP150. As long as you'll stich with a horizontal array for a center, you'll get this effect more or less no matter the brand (RC-64 included). The only way to get away with that is going with a vertical center.
What I noticed that the VP180 really improved is more natural vocals, clearer dialog, fuller sound, a better blend with my M80s and better bass guitar sound during concerts.
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#347458 - 05/07/11 02:00 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: bdpf]
ghost271 Offline
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Could you run two 150s side by side ?
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Sanyo Z5 HD Projector w/100" screen
Yamaha RXV-663,BD30,HD-A30
Toshiba 55SV670U
M60s
VP150
QS8s

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#347459 - 05/07/11 02:08 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: ghost271]
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You will want to stick to the same brand for the centre channel. There would be a noticeable timbral mismatch in the front soundstage. However, for best possible off axis out of horizontal array comes from well engineered WM^TW designs but they still won't match the far off-axis listening of a vertical speaker.
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#347460 - 05/07/11 02:19 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: BlueJays1]
ghost271 Offline
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What about an M22 beneath my VP150?
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Yamaha RXV-663,BD30,HD-A30
Toshiba 55SV670U
M60s
VP150
QS8s

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#347467 - 05/07/11 04:09 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: ghost271]
bdpf Offline
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From what others have tried, a M2 or M22 will give you better off-axis than a VP150 or VP180, however you'll not get the depth in male vocals and bass that the VP180 offers. IMO, it's a trade-off and you need to pick whatever will suit your goal and what you can accommodate physically.
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#347469 - 05/07/11 04:23 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: bdpf]
CatBrat Offline
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Yes. I'd choose in this order. I don't know anyone who's tried the VP with an M3 so I really don't know how that'd sound. The VP100 provides a bit more bass than just the M2 in my experience, but the M2 is much better with off-axis listening.

VP180
VP150/M22
VP150/M2 or VP150/M3
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VP150
VP100
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#347493 - 05/07/11 09:54 PM Re: VP180 or Klipsch RC64 v2 ? [Re: ghost271]
JohnK Offline
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Joel, the best solution for narrow/irregular off-axis response is to use a vertical center with wide horizontal dispersion. Ideally, it would be the same as the mains, but more practically in most applications, a smaller unit very similar to the mains except in the low bass(e.g., M2, M22)works very well.
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