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#350779 - 06/22/11 01:53 PM New installation job, advice appreciated....
SirQuack Offline
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Hey guys/gals,

I have a friend that has a large insulated metal out building on the property. They currently use it for large gatherings, parties, graduations, etc. It has a smaller (still huge) side, and then a much larger room that has large bay doors for a camper, etc.

He wants to make the smaller side into a movie room for the kids and family to enjoy, and the larger room more for sports parties and large gatherings. The smaller room would be 5.1 or 7.1 with a decent projector ($1500 or less) and the larger room he is not as picky on the projector, maybe a used one with a longer throw distance for the big games.

He is not particular about "the best" sound quality, and I mentioned to him that the room was going to be very reflective as is. He said they have had bands play and felt it was fine. He also does not want to spend a fortune on expensive speakers but wants good sound.

He was originally looking at the Klipsch Quintet 5.0 system that Best Buy is pushing to him. I said you don't want anything that small in a huge room like this...so he is open for suggestions, BUT he wants everything mounted on the wall, so if we go with Axioms, M3s or M22s across the front is what I'm considering with Qs8's for sure on the sides, and not sure about the back wall.

For a projector in the smaller room he is eyeing the Epson 8350 which is a 1080p under $1299 with great reviews. We would most likely have to mount it hanging down from a long extension about 16ft or so back. Unless we can find a longer throw projector in the same $ range that could sit on top of the bathroom roof (see pics).

It is a large room, but I think with a decent sub, the M3's or M22's would work. Again, he is not into concert level requirments in SPL, just something the kids would be like WoW dad, this is cool.

Subs are another question, I have a fondness for Axiom. But, for the price, he could get a killer Elemental Designs sub with a much bigger amp, same price as the 350. Thoughts on subs would be appreciated. Also, he was thinking about putting the sub up in the back corner on top of the restroom area. Might produce some good bass up there...

Best Buy was telling him there is a way to send HDMI signal wirelessly to the projectors, without cables. I'm a little uneasy about doing this, and not versed in these options. I would prefer running HDMI cables, sending HD over wireless seems like a bad road to take?

He is thinking about putting the receiver, dvd, etc. in the back corner by the large fridge. I'm trying to figure out how to hook up two projectors and have everthing controlled from one receiver from that back location. Will the remote work, wouldn't you have to point it backwards. What if your in the big room and want to adjust the volume? Do harmony's need line of site view?

Also, I assume the big room would only have 2 speakers, would they be zone 2, and could someone be watching a movie in the one room at the same time as music in the other?

Any advice would be appreciated on my install. I'm sure I will have more questions coming...

Pictures below of both rooms...oh yeah, the screen will be mounted above where the tool box is in the smaller room, and above/right of the big door in the huge room










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#350783 - 06/22/11 02:39 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: SirQuack]
oldskoolboarder Offline
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Run the HDMI cable. The cost to set up wireless HDMI will be more expensive and not necessarily guaranteed to work. The tech works at 60 GHz and there's very few vendors out there w/ working boxes. Too new.

Man, that is one reflective 'box'. But I'm VERY jealous of that garage/man cave. And those 2 pinball machines don't hurt.

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#350785 - 06/22/11 02:46 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: oldskoolboarder]
SirQuack Offline
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I agree, and thanks for the advice. I forgot to mention I am need advice on a receiver as well. I don't want one that is going to be to complicated for them to understand, so Denon might be out. I'm only familiar with the Denons, but I may not be available all the time. So what other brands should I consider guys?
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#350786 - 06/22/11 02:54 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: SirQuack]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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I can only offer one tidbit:
That's going to be a very reflective, bright space. He can't say that it'll be good now because it was good when a band played there....because they were probably doing some EQing for the room.

Of course, that's not to say that he can't do the same and that he might not have somewhat low standards.

But I wanted to make the point that because one audio source sounded good, that doesn't mean others will too.
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#350789 - 06/22/11 03:03 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: SirQuack]
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Hey Randy,

The only help I can really give is regarding your Harmony remote question.

They don't require line-of-sight if you get their extender . The extender needs to be within range of the components to be able to pass on an IR signal that it received from the RF Harmony remote.

I used to have mine set up this way, but now that my components are in my in-wall cabinet, I put the Harmony wireless extender in the cabinet, and it's connected to each component with stereo patch cables in this manner , or via IR emitters if the player etc. doesn't have a 3.5mm jack.

Sorry for my limited assistance, but I hope that helps.
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#350819 - 06/22/11 10:04 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: Ya_basta]
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I will say they obviously don't use that building for working on vehicles/wood work etc, way too damn clean wink

A Denon is no more complicated than any other modern receiver, just lousy manuals but not a whole lot worse than much of the other manufacturers. Once thay get used to it, getting the avr to work is easy and if you are not around tell them to log in here, we can always help smile

I thnk you are in the right direction with M3 or M22 and eD, SVS etc. for a sub; those eD A2 and A3's keep getting rave reviews and they are inexpensive.
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#350820 - 06/22/11 10:06 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: Ya_basta]
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Edited by jakewash (06/22/11 10:06 PM)
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#350821 - 06/22/11 10:06 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: SirQuack]
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Randy, all modern HT receivers are relatively complex, but some manuals are a bit clearer than others. An Onkyo receiver with similar overall features to a Denon that you might otherwise select would be a bit better bet.
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#350825 - 06/22/11 10:28 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: JohnK]
SirQuack Offline
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Great help so far guys, I appreciate it greatly.

Cam, I will talk to them about going down the Harmony/extender route. Might work nice with two rooms in question and that he wants to equipment in the back of the room.

I am thinking 3 M22's mounted on the wall across the front below the screen. For surrounds, the back wall is a problem with the bathroom addition, and the ceilings are very high, so I'm thinking maybe 5.1 and place the side surrounds midway back.

They are not going to have theater seating, just have people pull up parade/lawn type chairs wherever they place them, so the whole dolby placement thing is not as important.

I know they want to do this as affordable as possible, but come on, the guy is a Dr. not like he doesn't have money. smile

John, I will have to research the receivers out there, Onkyo might be an option. I will be available for initial setup and calls/visits if they screw something up. They live about 45 min. away at 65mph.

Jason, that is what I'm seeing on subs. I need to pinpoint down what he wants to pay for everything. I was thinking for that large of a room, the A5-350 might be more in line with 15" driver, 500wts, and same price as ep350.

I really think they need to do something about the bright environment for best acoustics, but only time will tell. It is a huge room and very high, maybe it won't be as bad as a smaller room.
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#350828 - 06/22/11 10:34 PM Re: New installation job, advice appreciated.... [Re: SirQuack]
jakewash Offline
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The size and height will help with the acoustics but it will still be 'bright' unless they get some room treatments happening, the usual area rug, possibly a grass/RV type of mat would be ideal for this type of environment and wall treatment of some sort should suffice.
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