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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
INANE #351681 07/12/11 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: INANE

Obama is completely flipping on this one. He's on a crusade for massive tax hikes now. Even thou history repeatedly shows that tax cuts usually create tax revenues and hikes do the reverse.

Evidence? Stating something does not make it true.

As far as unions go, without the union movement we would not have the working conditions we do now. Just look at the working conditions of your average industrial worked in the lat 1800s and early 1900s. While I am no fan of the '70s style auto unions, to paint the whole union movement with the same brush shows a lack of understanding of the history of industrialization and the union movement.

You should be concerned about a concentration of power by any group: government, private enterprise, unions. Indeed, your founding fathers were very concerned about this in regards to government and attempted to create a constitution that would prevent such power concentration in government.


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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
fredk #351692 07/12/11 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: fredk
Originally Posted By: INANE

Obama is completely flipping on this one. He's on a crusade for massive tax hikes now. Even thou history repeatedly shows that tax cuts usually create tax revenues and hikes do the reverse.

Evidence? Stating something does not make it true.

As far as unions go, without the union movement we would not have the working conditions we do now. Just look at the working conditions of your average industrial worked in the lat 1800s and early 1900s. While I am no fan of the '70s style auto unions, to paint the whole union movement with the same brush shows a lack of understanding of the history of industrialization and the union movement.

You should be concerned about a concentration of power by any group: government, private enterprise, unions. Indeed, your founding fathers were very concerned about this in regards to government and attempted to create a constitution that would prevent such power concentration in government.


First Cam, and now, I totally agree with Fred.

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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
BobKay #351699 07/12/11 02:42 PM
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Hmm. Better tinker with the meds. Double up on the red one and stop the blue one.


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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
medic8r #351734 07/12/11 06:57 PM
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Unions began to improve working conditions and present certain working standards(hours, age, workload, safety ect). At some point they got that all confused with extortion. I don't feel that anyone hired by the tax payers should be allowed to strike.


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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
medic8r #351738 07/12/11 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: medic8r
Hmm. Better tinker with the meds. Double up on the red one and stop the blue one.


Worked brilliantly! You are a genius!

Now I don't care at all about anything that's happening to me.

You should do this for a living.


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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
BobKay #351922 07/15/11 08:59 PM
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Yes, unions certainly had a positive effect on the British automobile industry. Oh, wait, no ... they killed it. Sorry.

Yes, but unions certainly had a positive effect on the American automobile industry. Oh, wait, no ... they're trying to kill it.

The trade union paradigm is class warfare between the working class and the bourgeoisie. Shoddy build quality by British auto workers were acts of resistance to greedy capitalists. How do you think that worked out in the end?

In the 19th and early 20th centuries, labor unions worked for safer conditions, reduced hours and higher wages and benefits. Those functions are now satisfied by the US government.

Now, organized labor competes with non-union labor and attempts to squeeze the latter out of the marketplace.

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend. MT


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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
Adrian #351948 07/17/11 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: Adrian
Unions began to improve working conditions and present certain working standards(hours, age, workload, safety ect). At some point they got that all confused with extortion. I don't feel that anyone hired by the tax payers should be allowed to strike.


exactly

Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
2x6spds #352060 07/19/11 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
Yes, unions certainly had a positive effect on the British automobile industry. Oh, wait, no ... they killed it. Sorry.

Yes, but unions certainly had a positive effect on the American automobile industry. Oh, wait, no ... they're trying to kill it.

The trade union paradigm is class warfare between the working class and the bourgeoisie. Shoddy build quality by British auto workers were acts of resistance to greedy capitalists. How do you think that worked out in the end?

In the 19th and early 20th centuries, labor unions worked for safer conditions, reduced hours and higher wages and benefits. Those functions are now satisfied by the US government.

Now, organized labor competes with non-union labor and attempts to squeeze the latter out of the marketplace.

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend. MT


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Re: I have to ask...of Americans (at my own risk)
davidsch #352093 07/19/11 07:19 PM
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Stay away from political posts and set users who piss you off on ignore. You'll be happier.

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