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#356527 - 10/11/11 04:53 PM My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?"
Henry66 Offline
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Registered: 07/05/10
Posts: 233
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
The frequency graph for the EP800 sure looks delicious, but it is expensive and big. I spent $2,500 on M80s + VP180 + QS8s and now I need to spend that much again to get the last 15Hz?

However, I am not sure what features I should be looking for.

My room is 23 x 21 x 8.75 = 4,226 cubic feet. In one corner there is a 6ft wide opening into another large area.

I would prefer musical accuracy and bass tightness over movie LFE loudness if I had to choose.

What questions should I be asking?
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#356530 - 10/11/11 05:23 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: Henry66]
J. B. Offline
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 1291
Loc: Quebec, Canada
have you read reviews on the net, there are a ton of them and it could help you narrow down your choice?

2 makers who have an excellent reputation: Hsu and SVS;
there are others, but i can't remember right now.

if you have a good setup and calibration, you will never hear the sub, whatever you listen to, and the transition will not be heard;
it will be "invisible" to your ears.

hope this helps. :-)
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#356531 - 10/11/11 05:26 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: J. B.]
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Elemental Designs and Epik are another I will through in the hat, and Outlaw.
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#356534 - 10/11/11 06:56 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: SirQuack]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8488
Loc: Tacoma
I don't think you need 15Hz.

People are going to tell you that "accuracy and tightness" are not a function of sealed v. ported design. I don't know. I like my SVS ported box, but it does have a signature sound that isn't quite as dry as some sealed subs I've heard. It's quite powerful enough, and I think I've got more cubic feet than even you do, but my listening habits/needs might be different.

I'm thinking about the sealed, 18" ED A7S-450 for $850 shipped.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the other companies mentioned.

If you have multiple listening positions (i.e. you want to share the rumble rather than just rumble solo), I'd consider a couple of good-quality 12" subs rather than having one monster.

There's really no substitute for trying something out in your room.

You not running a sub at all at the moment? Do you know if you have any bad nulls in your room?
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#356535 - 10/11/11 07:40 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: tomtuttle]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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I don't like ED's "list price" marketing. Do they ever sell at that price, or is it just to impress the customer with the huge discount?
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#356536 - 10/11/11 08:05 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: MarkSJohnson]
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8488
Loc: Tacoma
Yeah, I don't like it, either. Hsu does the same thing, albeit to a somewhat lesser degree. They use "MSRP" instead of "List".
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#356537 - 10/11/11 08:06 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: MarkSJohnson]
SBrown Offline
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Registered: 11/16/10
Posts: 901
Loc: Victoria,BC
Don't forget Paradigm! I have two of there subs(the same model) with the M80s and sounds fantastic.

My wife didn't like it with one but with two it's acceptable because they even out the lows. But I also have .2 capability.


Anyway....just a thought! Shop around and have fun..

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#356545 - 10/11/11 10:38 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: SBrown]
Henry66 Offline
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Registered: 07/05/10
Posts: 233
Loc: New Hampshire, USA
Aww man, I was hoping to narrow my options, not widen them!
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#356546 - 10/11/11 11:33 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: Henry66]
JohnK Offline
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Henry, you want less money and narrowed, so get two Hsu VTF-2 Mk3s .
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#356594 - 10/13/11 05:43 PM Re: My turn to ask; "which subwoofer?" [Re: JohnK]
snazzed Offline
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Registered: 09/07/09
Posts: 201
I'll second te Outlaw suggestion.

I don't have a lot of (any) audiophile friends but my Outlaw LFM1-Plus outperforms anything my peers have and puts out more power than my space can handle.

My room is aprox 10x16x9 so its not huge but not tiny. After numerous calibrations the volume knob on the Sub has come to rest just shy of 2 and my signal is at -1.5db on the receiver.

Best of all its not expensive. Actually, scratch that. The satin black finish and glass top give it high WAF which is *most* important.

Wow... I sound fanboy-ish.

snazzed
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