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#361932 - 12/27/11 07:59 AM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: terzaghi]
CatBrat Offline
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That's kinda funny because I've had a similar experience comparing the VP100 vs VP150 with M22's as mains. I didn't like the center in the mix with most music, but I do with the VP150. I can't wait for the VP160. I don't have the room for bigger mains, except perhaps M50's paired with M22's later sometime.

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#361945 - 12/27/11 10:27 AM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: jakewash]
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Originally Posted By: jakewash
That last pic is from my widest seating postion, it is just outside of the the M80. I haven't taken any readings yet.


I have a similar seating position relative to the speaker placement and found that without some toe in all I heard was the nearest speaker. My current toe in placement points the L and R directly at the center listening position (I used lasers to cross the paths tight at ear position). You should have seen the rolly eyes from Mrs Classic. Classic!
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#361949 - 12/27/11 10:53 AM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: a401classic]
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Mrs. Classic, you are not alone!

Scott, before you put away the laser (Really, it's true, isn't it? Almost NONE of you had friends in high school.), try locating the convergence behind the sweet spot by a couple of feet or so. Get back to me. Or not.
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#361967 - 12/27/11 03:23 PM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: BobKay]
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Or so wink I actually started with the speakers perpendicular to the back wall and slowly kept moving them in until the listening positions were the most balanced with the least sound stage disruption in stereo in the main listening seat.

As far as friends go, I had enough to get me in a little trouble. I was the "Kevin Myers" type (American Pie) of my school. Not one of the jocks, not one of the complete geek-oids and just acceptable enough (note I did not say cool enough) to be invited to the football game after-parties.
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#361987 - 12/27/11 07:48 PM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: a401classic]
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I measured my toe in off the backs of the M80s in relation the wall behind them so each M80 had the same amount of toe in, I like your laser idea to ensure they are pointed at the sweet spot.
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#361990 - 12/27/11 08:27 PM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: jakewash]
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Typical rule of thumb for toe in is to aim for a point slightly behind the prime listening position, not directly at it. Works well for me...

I have a bit of a wait for my 160. I need real wood finish. Brent w/ Axiom told me they are still working on a stand for this speaker and hopefully it will be ready along with my speaker order so I don't have to use milk crates. I'm somewhat excited over this particular center. I've been wanting something between the 150 and 180 for quite some time.
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#362009 - 12/28/11 12:53 AM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: michael_d]
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I can't wait to see pics of your real-wood 160. I'm still leaning towards VP180(s) at this point, but the 160 is compelling, too.

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#362074 - 12/28/11 05:50 PM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: CV]
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NOw, that you've had both the VP160 and VP180 in your room, would you say that the off-axis listening on the vP180 is much worst than the VP160?
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#362085 - 12/28/11 07:24 PM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: bdpf]
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Just... Cool.
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#362092 - 12/28/11 08:49 PM Re: And Santa Ian comes through..... [Re: tomtuttle]
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