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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416952 02/10/16 01:20 PM
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Preaching to the choir... smile

Go back and find my posts here about Atmos. I actually know more about it than most, even though I don't have it installed yet. Ha!

With that said, I will say this. With a 7.1 system (there is no such thing as a 7.2, 7.3, 7.4, etc, the naming designates how many LFE channels are in the sound mix, and not the number of subwoofers, and that is also true with Atmos as clarified many times at CEDIA 2015 whever someone would be in a demo room and ask about a 7.4.4 or similar configuration and they would get corrected by that company's rep), 5.1.2, 5.1.4, 7.1.2, 7.1.4, etc, although I understand why so many people mention it) or I guess I could say with my "7.2" system, LOL, when I had a temporary Atmos capable receiver, when playing Atmos content, you could hear a nice difference over the regular TrueHD 7.1 soundtrack and that was without height speakers.

No, not the full "Atmos experience," but definitely a better soundfield all around. It was a fun experiment and just refueled my push for a full Atmos, DTS:X setup with 4 overheads.

So I absolutely must disagree that a 7.1 (or 7.2 as you mention it) setup doesn't benefit from a Dolby Atmos capable receiver and media. I experienced it first hand just after Christmas 2015 and it WAS a better experience. I had my wife and one daughter compare the TrueHD vs Atmos soundtrack of a couple of movie clips without telling them which was which, and even they could hear an improvement with the Atmos capable playback.

Again, I've reported all of this here somewhere already. Have to use the Google search feature that is in the Water Cooler section I believe to find it all.

Lastly, Anthony Grimani (a highly respected audio speaker, room configuration, calibration guru) actually believes that a 9.1.2 setup is almost always superior to a 7.1.4 setup. It is more about "filling the gaps" than anything, and most people have a big gap (I did) between their front mains and their side surrounds. That is why I changed my setup and layout this past weekend. So that I wouldn't need to incorporate wide speakers in a 9.1.2 setup and could go 7.1.4 so that I get the best layout possible.

"If you don't have a solid bed layer, then the overheads aren't going to be as effective." - Anthony Grimani

I also posted that here somewhere. LOL

Lastly, I posted a few diagrams of a standard Dolby Atmos layout vs. Anthony's "real world" best layout. That was in a different thread than the others I believe. At the time I was going to look at going 9.1.2, but have sense decided against it. The diagrams are still valid though.

So yeah, I've been a huge fan, researching the snot out of Atmos since 2014 and my first demo at CEDIA. I asked a lot of questions then, and even more (once I had a much better set of knowledge on it) at CEDIA 2015. I also dug more into Auro 3D, and DTS:X at that time. Auro isn't anywhere near established, except with a few "international" titles, and DTS:X will use, in theory, any speaker layout that you have. There is a bug with the current firmware installation of DTS:X that prevents overhead speakers from working correctly and you have to simply set them as front and rear "height" speakers vs. front and rear "overhead" speakers, and it does not currently support wides so no 9.1.2 configuration. I am sure that both of these will be resolved at some point, but just go to show why I am waiting for then 2nd gen DTS:X capable receivers.

Thank you tough for spending the time to look that up and share. It is very much appreciated that you want to make sure that someone else is educated on the subject and doesn't make an error. That was very thoughtful of you, and will go to possibly help someone else reading this thread.


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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416953 02/10/16 02:32 PM
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So far from what seen the best overall atmos/dts-x packaged avr receiver taken into account the price, room correction, features & options.. in my opinion is the Denon X7200wa or the Marantz SR7010


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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416954 02/10/16 02:43 PM
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Both are really nice and have been a popular choice for the people at AVS who participate in the Atmos topic.

I am still hoping that the next round will yield a full 11.1 amplified system (no need for an external amp) that does Atmos and gen2 DTS:X and doesn't cost $2000+

You can get into Atmos for less than that, even with a 7.1.4 setup, but usually you need a separate amp. I guess if the pricing difference was big enough (external amp setup potentially cheaper) then I would look into that again just as a cost savings, but depending on the amp make and model, it doesn't seem like it would be.



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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
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for decent power & features/options it always alot of $$$$ if I was to go the separates way.. this would definitively be on the top 5 short list... http://www.anthemav.com/products-current/type=av-processor/model=avm-60/page=overview

this is also really a nice looking http://www.anthemav.com/products-current/type=av-receiver/model=mrx-1120/page=overview


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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416956 02/10/16 03:15 PM
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Yeah, I waited for a demo at the Anthem booth at CEDIA, and due to their lack of organization (OK, it was really the lady there who was more interested in chatting with some people she knew about where they should go for dinner than actually working the booth) and I missed the demo 3 times. I spent so much time waiting that I gave up as the day was winding down and I had a special demo for select AVS members at the Epson projector booth that I had to get to.

Outside of that one lady messing things up, I've heard great things about Anthem products and would look close at their 1120 product. Still $3500, but has 11 channels of amplification built in.

Anthem MRX 1120


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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416957 02/10/16 03:23 PM
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what I really like about anthem is the ARC

see the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=41XjrGgZCNI

Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416958 02/10/16 03:28 PM
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Right, ARC is one of the main reasons I wanted to hear their product. So many people talk about the loss of Audyssey with some of the current generation receivers and processors, and while some companies have improved their own room analysis a bit (Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, and a few others) they are still inferior to what Audyssey can/could do. It is companies like Anthem, Steinway Lyngdorf ($$$$), and others that have been developing really top notch room correction technology for years that many consider to be superior to Audyssey in many ways. Alas, like I said, I never got to hear the Anthem Room Correction. (I did hear Steinway Lyndorf's though, which was damn impressive.) If ARC is somewhere between Audyssey and the SL correction, that would be utterly amazing I am sure.


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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
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Had point that model out in my previous post... I really like it alot and it's got my fingers twitching a whole bunch from a few days now ...


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Re: Maybe I should start a v4.0 build thread somewhere
nickbuol #416961 02/10/16 04:36 PM
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Wow. I hadn't seen that last video (from 2012). I saw the one from 2014, but not that one.

I am actually traveling for work and will have to watch these tonight at the hotel.


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