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#363610 - 01/12/12 10:04 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: AdrianD]
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Adrian, welcome. Great to hear your enthusiasm. You can proceed with your setup arrangements; "proper break-in" took place during testing at the factory. Takes about 30 seconds.
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#363615 - 01/12/12 10:56 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: JohnK]
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Originally Posted By: JohnK
Adrian, welcome. Great to hear your enthusiasm. You can proceed with your setup arrangements; "proper break-in" took place during testing at the factory. Takes about 30 seconds.

laugh... so I heard about breaking-in the M80s.
I finally had some time to setup my prepro; I've listened to a few favourite tracks I bought from HDTRACKS in hi-rez.
All I can tell you is that I started listening at about 7:30PM... and now it's 11!! That should tell you something; absolutely stunning sound!
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#363619 - 01/13/12 01:25 AM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: AdrianD]
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Ahh yes, that wonderful time of the first listening session, enjoy it. the best part is that feeling never really goes away but to get it you have to keep buying new music.
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#363933 - 01/16/12 10:54 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: AdrianD]
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I plan to purchase a set of M80s when I move into my new home as well. Enjoy your M80s, can't wait to get mine!

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#364718 - 01/24/12 10:30 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: PerfectDrug]
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The last few days I spent some quality time with my M80s; I've tried various configurations, sources and cables.
At this point, the only thing I'm not happy about is what I perceive a lack of low frequencies; I tried repositioning them a dozen times... to no avail. Some interesting facts:
- Bass seems to diminish in the sweet-spot. As I walk around my room (which is fairly large by the way, at 600 sq ft), I can find spots with a lot more lows than I get in the sweet spot.
- Also, if I stand up from the sweet spot, the bass is more pronounced. A friend mentioned that it may be the attenuation effect of the highs and mids.
- Usually I try to listen to music as flat as possible; if I want a decent sound (for my ears that is), I have to pump up the bass a little.

Now... don't get me wrong, the lows are not anaemic by any strech, it;s just that I hoped for a little more. At high volume, there is no issue, the speakers sound fantastic. It's at the lower volume levels. Maybe I'm asking too much?

In any case, I am very happy; I can't think of anything original right now, so here is the cliche, which happens to be absolutely true: I am rediscovering my music with every tune I play.
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#364720 - 01/24/12 10:44 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: AdrianD]
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Adrian, it's something that's impossible to precisely diagnose at long range, of course, but what you "perceive" as to the bass level may be normal. Bass frequencies(and to a lesser extent, treble)are less prominent at lower listening levels because of the nature of human hearing.

You should, of course, double check to make sure that the speakers are connected in the proper polarity and that all the bass drivers are in fact operating(including verifying that the connecting strips on the speaker terminals are tight).
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#364721 - 01/24/12 10:49 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: AdrianD]
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You are describing how low frequencies can be perceived from a subwoofer as you move about the room, or even just a few feet. The 80's can play pretty low, and often people will ask during auditions if I have my subwoofer(s) even turned on, when often I will turn them off as a comparison.

If you don't have a subwoofer, it would be a good idea as it will move more air with the larger driver, and the proper crossover will blend with the 80's and fill those voids. If you do have a subwoofer, how do you have things configured. For me multiple subs positioned correctly makes it hard to find any position with out intense bass.
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#364722 - 01/24/12 10:58 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: SirQuack]
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I used to have my couch in a bass null. I know what you mean.
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#364723 - 01/24/12 11:45 PM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: Ken.C
I used to have my couch in a bass null. I know what you mean.

And you fixed it by...? grin

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I tried repositioning them a dozen times... to no avail. Some interesting facts:

It sounds like you have a bass null at the listening position. Nulls are created when sound waves reflecting off room surfaces cancel each other out. I have a few questions:

When you say you tried repositioning, how much have you moved the speakers around? Sometimes changing the distance from the back and/or side walls can change the timing and eliminate a null. Sometimes not. For instance, I have a null at around 72 Hz that is there no matter where I put my sub and speakers. Fortunately it is very narrow, so not very audible.

What shape is your room? Square is not good as it tends to replicate room modes that cause peaks and nulls. Again, I had a giant 16 db peak at 56 Hz, precisely because my apartment is essentially square. Fortunately, peaks can be dealt with by equalization.

Somewhere in the article section on the Axiom site on a simple method of finding the best place for your sub. It involves putting your sub at the listening position and crawling about the room to find where the bass sounds the best. That is then where you put the sub. I wonder if you can do something similar with one of your M80s?

If you are technically inclined and somewhat obsessive, you can try to measure your speaker response using software called REW and an spl meter to see what's really going on.

Lastly, you can always drastically rearrange you room based on where you get the best sound.

Hopefully that gives you a bit to think about.
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#364729 - 01/25/12 06:55 AM Re: Entering the Axiom Family [Re: fredk]
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Moving across the country and buying a house.
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