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VP170?
#365015 01/28/12 10:09 PM
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If one didn't need the VP160 to play as loud or as low as a VP180 or M80, couldn't the crossovers in the VP160 be tweaked to produce a sonic match for an M80 as well?


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I would have think it already is. It's just not an exact match, the same driver compliment.


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I would say sonically it is an exact match or pretty darn close to these ears, except for the whole not as low or loud thing.


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avjunkee #365031 01/29/12 02:30 AM
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AVJ, as Rick and Jason indicate, it's already close as possible to a match for the M80; no "tweaking" would be feasible. The only differences would be maybe 2-3Hz less bass extension and less ability to play extremely loud levels(unlikely to be used)in the mid-range and treble because of the single mid-range driver and tweeter.


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avjunkee #365068 01/29/12 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: avjunkee
If one didn't need the VP160 to play as loud or as low as a VP180 or M80, couldn't the crossovers in the VP160 be tweaked to produce a sonic match for an M80 as well?


I am using the VP160 with M80s and for a center channel, it is a pretty close sonic match and realistically since you are not going to get much, if any sound below the low-end capability of the speaker anyway, even running it in a "full range" capacity, it will easily handle whatever you throw at it.

I believe most would agree that with any horizontal center channel even with the same company design is never going to be perfect timbre match to the L/R speakers anyway. In this case only another M80 will provide that. The horizontal design especially those with smaller drivers are considerably more affected by positioning. From my experience, the big benefit of full range models like the 160 and 180 is that they seem to be less affected by those positioning limitations.

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avjunkee #365111 01/30/12 05:29 AM
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I understand the compromises of a horizontal centre and I have no doubt that the VP160 already blends quite well with M80's. However, the VP160 was specifically designed to sonically match the M60, which sounds different from the M80, so there must still be some room for adjustment in order to produce an even closer match to the M80.

I realize the VP180 already exists, and IMHO does match the M80 extremely well, but I'm thinking there is still a place for a "VP170" for M80 owners willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of max SPL and low frequency response in order to acheive slightly better off axis performance. I know, I know, by all accounts this mystical speaker has arrived in the VP160, but again, the VP160 cannot possibly match the M80 equally well if it was designed to match the M60.


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avjunkee #365113 01/30/12 05:51 AM
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That's getting pretty specific, and I think anyone looking for that mystical speaker should simply bite the bullet and make the space for an M80 center.

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avjunkee #365122 01/30/12 02:29 PM
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Bad choice of words on my part. I meant in relation to the VP180 not the M80. As you say, there simply is no substitute for a third M80 for centre.

The frequency graphs show the VP180 still tracking a bit flatter than the vP160, which has a baby bump around 70-150Hz. If they could come out with another centre that sounds even closer to the VP180 (without the same max SPL or low freq abilities of course) but with the off axis of a VP160, then that would be the cat's meow. Either way, the VP160 has gotten me so curious I may have try one out.


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avjunkee #365143 01/30/12 05:22 PM
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Has it been stated by anyone who HAS a VP180 and/or a VP160 that the VP180 has inferior off axis capabilities?


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avjunkee #365147 01/30/12 05:29 PM
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No problems off axis with my vp180


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