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#366525 - 02/13/12 06:08 PM Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs
axiom_man Offline
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Trying to decide between Paradigm Studio 60 and the M80 or M60.
but, at $1800 not sure the Paradigms are that much better.

Had the 80's although ver. 1 is the sound much better than version one.

The question I have is if I have a SVS sub and cut off at 80hz will I see any difference between the 60 and 80's namelt $500 worth.

Right now the plan is two systems, one in living room mainly music or tv. It will only be 2ch and sub

I have a theatre room and right now I am into bookshelfs and dual subs. I really can't see the difference, I am LFE at 80hz. Only thing I am thinking is adding a small sub to each surround. This will just be a small 8" sub using the Line in/outs. Just to give those QS8's a little balls. Alan also said this might be a good thing. Not there for room shattering sound, just some extra bottom.

I have Pioneer VSX-1156 basically a Elite SC-30. I amd going to use a Emotiva XPA-3 for the front three and the amp for the surrounds. Two SVS Ultra's. Right now I have three MK 750's for the front three. But, they are wattage draws so added the XPA.

Upstairs I want to setup a Emotiva XPA-2. Plan on a Martin-Logan Depth and not sure but, either the 60's or 80's or the Studio 60's
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#366526 - 02/13/12 06:11 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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oh, must add movie rooom 15 x 19 x 8
upstairs is 15 x 19 x 8 unless u include the dining room and kitchen then 34 x 24 with the living room dining room
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#366534 - 02/13/12 10:11 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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I have 80s and I like the 60's too. But if I had all that firepower I would get the 80s.
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#366535 - 02/13/12 10:12 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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Troy, it's unlikely that you'd have a significant audible difference between the M60 and M80 with the SVS sub handling the bass below 80Hz. Both use the same two 6 1/2" woofers, and the larger M80 enclosure allows for tuning it a few Hz lower, but this wouldn't be meaningful with the sub handling that area anyway. The other difference is that the M80 uses dual mid-range drivers and tweeters and this would allow for a higher and cleaner maximum output level, but unless you were listening at an extremely loud level this also wouldn't be meaningful to you.

I don't recall Alan making a comment supporting putting a small sub on each surround. If you mean that you'd connect the receiver surround pre-outs to those subs, then it would be almost meaningless, since there would be an 80Hz or whatever crossover which would prevent the "surround sub" from doing much. In any case, the surround bass being handled by your main sub should be entirely satisfactory.

I'll also add that using only a 2.1 setup for a mainly music system is an unnecessary limitation on your enjoyment of that music. Using a mode such as DPLII to extract the surround ambience mixed into two channel material(there was no place else to put it)and direct it to the surrounds where it belongs, is a very significant improvement in realism.
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#366540 - 02/13/12 10:53 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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Hi John
the 2.1 isn't for any type of digital processing. Just 2 ch stereo it is in the living room and not putting speakers anywhere else. Just to watch TSN breakfast time and occassional sitcom. may even get into LP's. Subs just for a little more bottom umph. Not even sure yet I want a sub upstairs ...just like to try that 3 x 8 driver lol
let me see if I can find that comment about the subs.
nope it would be left.surr the line in on a small 8" sub under the qs8 then line out to the qs8. right surr. to the line in on a 8" sub below the right qs8 and same as the two rear surrounds.
But, now that I think about it pointless if I have all set to small. Cut-off is at 80hz anyways and being small nothing below 80hz will go down the line to the sub anyways that the qs8's can't handle.
Unless I set all speakers to large and set the settings to Main + LFE.
I like the bookshelfs and sub though, may have to rethink this theatre setup. My daughter may inherit a awesome setup. I should of said no to the Pioneer and went with the Denon replacement.
one thing for sure is the towers upstairs and the emo amp and stereo processor.

I am 11 - 12 ft from my screen. room is 15 ft wide. I have 7ft behind me.
I need 7 speakers running off a emo amp for the front three. Either the 4 rears run off a A/R or I get 4 UPA1's.
I am thinking a pre/pro the XPA-3 and 4 UPA's not sure of the pre/pro though.
or Denon 4311 or 3312 and the XPA-3 for the fronts. The Denon will run the rears.
75% movies 25% music
Budget will be if I have to renew the speakers and reciever $5k
speakers $3k for the fronts and $1500 rears.
have the subs. Where or what would I get ,if I go reciever it has to be Denon though and Emotiva
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#366550 - 02/14/12 02:05 AM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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I have a similar setup to what you are thinking about:

M80's front
VP180 Center
6X QS8's
2X SVS Ultra

Denon 4311
Emotiva XPA-3 for the front three.

After discussing this setup with SVS, I finally setup Xover of front three to 60Hz and Xover of surrounds to 80Hz. To me, this sounds pleasing and the SVS meshes very well with the speakers.

I use 40% PS3, 40% movies, 20% music.

I would highly recommend the Denon 4311 for the Audessy setup. My system sounds unbelievable under Audessy.


The QS8's are very capable, I would not have a sub on the QS8's. Audyssy sets the QS8 V3 at a xover of 60Hz, and the QS8 V2 to 80Hz. I override that and standardise them at 80Hz.




Edited by Tariq (02/14/12 02:09 AM)
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#366551 - 02/14/12 02:14 AM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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Troy, i have a B&W CM1'S in my bedroom. They are similar in design to the Axiom M3's.. I also have a 8" JBL sub in my bedroom as well.. the 8" sub with the bookshelf speakers sound REALLY good. Also since my bedroom isn't huge the 8" sub is more than enough for that room...


In the family room, i have M60's +EP600+ another JBL 8" sub. i have the 600 crossed over at 80 or 100hz, don't really remember right now. I also have the M60's set to large... I have outboard amps as well, so the M60's get all the clean power they can handle..

Honestly, my bedroom setup sounds as good as the family room setup, due to the smaller space. The bedroom speakers are powered by a Marantz MM9000 @135W X5. However, i am only using 3 channels of that amp L/R/C.

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#366622 - 02/14/12 07:10 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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#366629 - 02/14/12 08:19 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: SirQuack]
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Hi thanks guy

Tariq I think you got what I want.

jUst not sure if I have the SVS subs if I need M80's, I think the M60's I shouldn't notice any difference other than ear shattering volume levels.
I look at the graphs and it seems the M60 is smoother. The only thing I see is it drops off faster than the M80's on the bottom end. But if I have dual SVS's then if they were set Xover at 80hz I shouldn't be able to even tell the difference.

SIrQuack ..... I thought you had M80's and endd up getting M60's and found they were every bit as good at one time.

OK so, has anyone heard the Paradigm Studio 60's. I am thinking they sound very close. However at $1800 I can get real wood Cherry with the M60
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#366631 - 02/14/12 08:27 PM Re: Reading the M60 vs. M80 Graphs [Re: axiom_man]
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My first Axiom speakers were 60's in mansfield beach, I upgraded to 80's a few years after that, I do miss my 60's though. smile I've always heard the Studio series sound very similar to Axiom speakers, they are based on the same science done at the NRC many years ago. I guess it comes down to price, customer service, looks, etc.
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