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Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
pmbuko #370284 03/19/12 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: JBall
Originally Posted By: Wid

I agree. Looking at the specs of the Accend towers and the Axiom M80 the M80s actually best the Accends. So maybe they're not as good a deal as I would have thought from a budget speaker company.

Looking at the frequency graphs of both the M80s also look smoother, just sayin.


Measurements are easily manipulated and Axiom doesn't give you the detail of measurements that Ascends does.

This just shows that you've already made up your mind that Axiom is a tainted brand. When presented with contrary evidence, you tighten your sphincter and insinuate that Axiom is doctoring their data. You're delusional. Why continue beating this horse? Just buy something else and move along.

Please.


I am assuming Wid is getting his measurements off the Axiom website compared to that of Ascends off their website.

You can't compare the two simply for the fact that Axiom is using a 120db scale with smoothing applied while Ascend uses 50db scale un-smoothed.

These two factors alone can make a graph look a lot "smoother" when you cut down on the resolution.

Ascend also shows a whole suite of measurements including the polar response. To objectively compare the two you would have to compare the same suite of measurements using the same scale and preferably without any smoothing applied.




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Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
JBall #370287 03/19/12 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Fair enough, I can see fellow owners taking offense when they are told other fellow owners prefer the sound of other speakers.

See, that's not it at all. I'm not an indoctrinated blind devotee of Axiom. Most other people here aren't either. There are ways to state your differing preference without coming off like a jerk. Instead, you quite publicly questioned the very integrity of the company right on their doorstep. If you don't think insinuating that Axiom fudges their graphs is in poor taste, then you lack a moral compass and I look forward to your departure with the utmost impatience.

Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
pmbuko #370288 03/19/12 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: JBall
Fair enough, I can see fellow owners taking offense when they are told other fellow owners prefer the sound of other speakers.

See, that's not it at all. I'm not an indoctrinated blind devotee of Axiom. Most other people here aren't either. There are ways to state your differing preference without coming off like a jerk. Instead, you quite publicly questioned the very integrity of the company right on their doorstep. If you don't think insinuating that Axiom fudges their graphs is in poor taste, then you lack a moral compass and I look forward to your departure with the utmost impatience.


He never said Axiom fudges their graphs, they just don't offer the suit of graphs and measurements Ascend does, which is 100% true. Ascend is rare and that they give just about every measurement/graph you could ask for plus if your not satified with whats posted they will email you others. This is something that Axiom does not do.

Axiom also isn't consistent with what they offer, some models have freq response graphs with a link while others like, EP125, EP175, EP350, EP400, and QS4 don't have a freq response or impedance graph.

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Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
Cork #370291 03/19/12 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: tomtuttle

I'm here to have fun.

JBall and gtsuper's posts diminish my fun.

That is all.

When something isn’t fun I try not to do it.


P. S. It’s called the “Ignore” button.

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Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
tomtuttle #370294 03/19/12 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I'm here to have fun.

JBall and gtsuper's posts diminish my fun.

That is all.


Whatever, your one of the first ones to go negative, call names, insult, and start calling other members trolls.

Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
gtpsuper #370298 03/19/12 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: gtpsuper
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I'm here to have fun.

JBall and gtsuper's posts diminish my fun.

That is all.


Whatever, your one of the first ones to go negative, call names, insult, and start calling other members trolls.


I though that was Marks job?

Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
Cork #370301 03/19/12 08:47 PM
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Tom should know better than anyone not to step on the toes of a member of local TCNE 106 union member. (Troll-Callers NorthEast #106).


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Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
gtpsuper #370307 03/19/12 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: gtpsuper
Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
I'm here to have fun.

JBall and gtsuper's posts diminish my fun.

That is all.


Whatever, your [sic] one of the first ones to go negative, call names, insult, and start calling other members trolls.

If you had a chance to meet Tom and have a beer with him, as I have, you'd undoubtedly find him one of the classiest guys on this forum. If you were still to think otherwise, then, well, that'd say it all to me.

One of the internet's superpowers is getting someone to rage against someone else they've never met and really don't understand.

The other superpower, apparently, is porn.


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Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
pmbuko #370310 03/19/12 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: JBall
Fair enough, I can see fellow owners taking offense when they are told other fellow owners prefer the sound of other speakers.

See, that's not it at all. I'm not an indoctrinated blind devotee of Axiom. Most other people here aren't either. There are ways to state your differing preference without coming off like a jerk. Instead, you quite publicly questioned the very integrity of the company right on their doorstep. If you don't think insinuating that Axiom fudges their graphs is in poor taste, then you lack a moral compass and I look forward to your departure with the utmost impatience.


Don't worry, I just registered on Ascend Forum and waiting for the account to approve.

In the meantime, I am rather enjoying this review:
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0312/sierra_tower_speaker.htm

Hmm, maybe this professional reviewer is crazy b/c he didn't listen to them in his anechoic chamber smile

Re: Scoop on Axiom Subs?
BlueJays1 #370311 03/19/12 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueJays1
Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Originally Posted By: JBall
Originally Posted By: Wid

I agree. Looking at the specs of the Accend towers and the Axiom M80 the M80s actually best the Accends. So maybe they're not as good a deal as I would have thought from a budget speaker company.

Looking at the frequency graphs of both the M80s also look smoother, just sayin.


Measurements are easily manipulated and Axiom doesn't give you the detail of measurements that Ascends does.

This just shows that you've already made up your mind that Axiom is a tainted brand. When presented with contrary evidence, you tighten your sphincter and insinuate that Axiom is doctoring their data. You're delusional. Why continue beating this horse? Just buy something else and move along.

Please.


I am assuming Wid is getting his measurements off the Axiom website compared to that of Ascends off their website.

You can't compare the two simply for the fact that Axiom is using a 120db scale with smoothing applied while Ascend uses 50db scale un-smoothed.

These two factors alone can make a graph look a lot "smoother" when you cut down on the resolution.

Ascend also shows a whole suite of measurements including the polar response. To objectively compare the two you would have to compare the same suite of measurements using the same scale and preferably without any smoothing applied.



Great post glad to see some rational people remain on this forum.

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