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Axiom M60Ti
#373767 04/20/12 03:53 AM
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A guy I know is selling a pair of M60 Ti Axioms from 2003 .
Could any of you guys put a price on these critters ?
He says they are 7 out of 10 in appearance and sound excellent but he is comparing them to version 3 M60,s .
Is there a big difference in performance from the version 3 im comparison to the MTi ?
Could they be updated to the 3rd version ?
I would have to have them shipped and going by his word that they sound great .
Any assistance is appreciated .

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gearcruncher #373768 04/20/12 03:56 AM
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I have a pair of M60ti's, as well as a VP-180.. The VP-180 is a V3 speaker.... I can not tell any difference in sound quality between the m60's and the 180...

Price.. I don't have any idea what they are worth now.... how much are you offering the guy?

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gearcruncher #373769 04/20/12 04:12 AM
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I havnt made an offer yet , I am just kicking with the idea of picking up some timbre matched fronts . I am running pioneers for fronts and just picked up a new VP160 center channel . The pioneers sound much different than the VP160 .
If I can grab the M60ti,s for a reasonable price , i will roll the dice but if there is a big difference in speaker performance in comparison to the newer version 3 , I may just go with m80,s or the new LFR100 .
Sorta wondering how many upgrades were done between now and 2003 on the M60 series ?
According to Axiom , the VP160 will blend in with all their towers


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gearcruncher #373776 04/20/12 05:37 AM
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The drivers are the same, the cross overs are slightly different from what i understand. I would bet that the ti's will go quite well with the 160, like i said, i have the 180 and it blends pretty much perfectly with my ti's... All 3 speakers sound the same to me.

I am on the list for a pair of LFR's... With the LFR's you will need more channels of amplification.. you need 4 matched channels of amplification all channels need to have the same gain, this will require the use of outboard amps.

I think that there were 3 "upgrades" between the ti's and the V3's..

If i were in your position, i would offer somewhere between 400-600$, can you go inspect and listen to the speakers? Depending on your relationship with him, you may be able to get him to bring them to your house so you can listen to them with your 160 prior to buying them?

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gearcruncher #373783 04/20/12 11:09 AM
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My initial, preliminary testing (disclaimer, disclaimer) makes me think that my new VP160 is going to match very well with my 2004 M60tis.

I can't answer what they might be worth or whether they would be worth it over new ones, except to say that if I could afford the new ones, I'd go that way.

Just because you'll have the warranty, the latest version (my understanding is that the V3 improvements would be noticeable, though not "night and day" or anything {{disclaimer, disclaimer}}).


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gearcruncher #373815 04/20/12 01:11 PM
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My original M60's from when I started with Axiom were ti's in mansfield beech, I did a brief side by side comparison to my current M80v2's and didn't notice any huge difference. My M80's blend nice with my VP180v3.


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gearcruncher #373822 04/20/12 01:32 PM
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I have a near 9 year old set of M80tis with a VP160 and can't tell a huge difference. They blend very well together.

If they are at a good price and in great shape, go for it.

As Mark had mentioned, if you could swing a new set you then get a 5 year warranty.


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Re: Axiom M60Ti
gearcruncher #373842 04/20/12 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: gearcruncher
I havnt made an offer yet , I am just kicking with the idea of picking up some timbre matched fronts . I am running pioneers for fronts and just picked up a new VP160 center channel . The pioneers sound much different than the VP160 .
If I can grab the M60ti,s for a reasonable price , i will roll the dice but if there is a big difference in speaker performance in comparison to the newer version 3 , I may just go with m80,s or the new LFR100 .
Sorta wondering how many upgrades were done between now and 2003 on the M60 series ?
According to Axiom , the VP160 will blend in with all their towers

JohnK will likely point you to the list of tweaks in the latest version, however most were cosmetic. The smaller sonic differences are so minute that you would need an A/B side by side test to even attempt at picking them out.

The M60s will indeed sound different than your present Pioneer speakers though, without a doubt. Our M60s were bought back in 2002 if i recall and are the Ti.
They still anchor our HT system.

You should be able to get these for about 35-50% of the new price esp. considering they are only 7 out of 10 for quality. Ours bought almost 10 years ago i would still rate at 8 or 9 by the Audiogon scale.
http://www.audiogon.com/scale.html
A 7 means there is some visible but small damage somewhere.
See http://www.canuckaudiomart.com for an example (i think there are some M60s posted for sale)





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gearcruncher #373846 04/20/12 09:22 PM
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I paid $450 for a used pair of M60ti's about 3-4 years ago. I'd rate mine 6-7. I also just got a new VP160 and they sound amazing together. If you can get them for $400 or so, I'd say it's a no-brainer.


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gearcruncher #373865 04/21/12 04:03 AM
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Thanks for the tips and links guyz !!!
You guys know your Axiom products very well .
I should have joined this site ages ago . Would have saved me a lotta cash .
I will let you all know which way I go for fronts shortly .
I have a good size room to fill with sound ( 20 X 20 ) for the theatre . I am presently building the room in my basement and carefully planning . Walls ,insulation, soundproofing, Cat 6 wiring , speaker wire and hdmi wall plates , led lighting etc etc .


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