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#376748 - 05/21/12 10:11 PM Time to upgrade the LCR speakers
Soundguy79 Offline
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So the wife said she hates the way my 40 year old JBL speakers look. That's great because I hate the way they sound. So it's time for an upgrade. I am going to start with the front left and right speaker then upgrade the center. My room is about 2500 cubic feet as it has a vaulted ceiling and open to the dining room and stairway. I currently have QS8 surrounds and a Pioneer VSX-1121-k along with the old JBL speakers.

My first though was to get the M22 v3 and stands for about $700. Then I realized that is really close in cost to the M50 at $828. But then I'm only $250 away from the M60.

So my question is how much better do the M60's sound? I have $700 now but I am patient and can wait a few months to get to the M60.

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#376749 - 05/21/12 10:22 PM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
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When I demoed V2 speakers at Axiom, the M22 plus sub was nearly indistinguishable from the M60 (except the bass of course)

The question is whether the M22 can handle a larger room like yours. I can't answer that, but I'm sure people with experience with the M22 will be along shortly.
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#376750 - 05/21/12 10:25 PM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
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I like the way you think grin Hold out for the M60's ,buyers remorse sux. Then you can add a VP 160 to round things out. Go big or , well you know what i mean.
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#376751 - 05/21/12 10:31 PM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
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The question should of course not be "how much better?", but rather "better at all?". Mike, the M22s and M60s use the same tweeter and for the all-important mid-range the M22s use two of the 5 1/4" drivers while the M60 uses one. The M22 would therefore have the the capacity to play a little louder with low distortion in the middle frequencies. The advantage of the M60s shows up in the bass where the larger enclosure and 6 1/2" woofers becomes significant. If used alone the M60 definitely has an advantage in the lowest bass frequencies. If used with a good sub, this would be of less significance.

Note that less expensive stands are available for the M22s, including close to zero for something home made.
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#376753 - 05/21/12 10:33 PM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Gr8_White_North]
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The VP160 would be sweet but that is a big cabinet. It wouldn't fit on my entertainment center below my TV. Not to mention the WAF! frown
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#376764 - 05/22/12 12:12 AM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: JohnK]
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JohnK, cheaper stands would be awesome. I will have a toddler at home in less than a year so I need a stand that secures the speaker to the stand like the Axiom. All the other stands I have found are cheap MDF stands where the speaker just sits on top. Not exactly safe. Any ideas would bring the cost down and get me started on a sub!


Originally Posted By: JohnK
The question should of course not be "how much better?", but rather "better at all?". Mike, the M22s and M60s use the same tweeter and for the all-important mid-range the M22s use two of the 5 1/4" drivers while the M60 uses one. The M22 would therefore have the the capacity to play a little louder with low distortion in the middle frequencies. The advantage of the M60s shows up in the bass where the larger enclosure and 6 1/2" woofers becomes significant. If used alone the M60 definitely has an advantage in the lowest bass frequencies. If used with a good sub, this would be of less significance.

Note that less expensive stands are available for the M22s, including close to zero for something home made.

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#376765 - 05/22/12 12:22 AM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
INANE Offline
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I have twin 2 year olds running around. We had this play pen from when they were babies, we used it to surround the TV/speakers. It's worked well enough for us over the last 1+ year.


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#376768 - 05/22/12 12:48 AM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
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Mike, it's fairly common to use an adhesive such as Blu Tack to attach a speaker to a stand.
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#376777 - 05/22/12 07:40 AM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
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Originally Posted By: Soundguy79
So the wife said she hates the way my 40 year old JBL speakers look. That's great because I hate the way they sound. So it's time for an upgrade. I am going to start with the front left and right speaker then upgrade the center. My room is about 2500 cubic feet as it has a vaulted ceiling and open to the dining room and stairway. I currently have QS8 surrounds and a Pioneer VSX-1121-k along with the old JBL speakers.

My first though was to get the M22 v3 and stands for about $700. Then I realized that is really close in cost to the M50 at $828. But then I'm only $250 away from the M60.

So my question is how much better do the M60's sound? I have $700 now but I am patient and can wait a few months to get to the M60.



I originally used the M22s in a L/R config. along with subs before I moved to M60s(and eventually M80s)and even with the crossover setting at 80HZ, the difference I noted between the M22s and M60s was in being able to handle that bass in kind of the "no mans land" around 60>80HZ where, when the volume was cranked up for movies, as good as the M22s are, they seemed to strain a little handling the sound in that frequency range. The M60s, of course, handled it with no problem.

With or without subs, based on my experience, I would spend the extra and buy the M60s.

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#376778 - 05/22/12 07:45 AM Re: Time to upgrade the LCR speakers [Re: Soundguy79]
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I would get the M60s and a set of outriggers. Unfortunately, that'll add ~$200 to the price tag. But they're a lot more stable with them.

If you do go with M22s, make sure you fill the stands with something (sand, lead weights, something).
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