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You toss labels about to bait the people you know disagree with you. I took your bait and unfortunately reacted strongly. Now I remember that you are intellectually rigid: you have zero interest in learning, only to teach your view of the truth. We've seen it time and again. I'll avoid further "discussions" with you.

Oh. Ouch.

I hope I did not engage in any personal attacks against anyone and I sure hope I didn't insult anyone or call them names. I personally don't believe I am intellectually rigid and I sure don't believe I have no interest in learning.

Actually, I reviewed my posts and I think they're kind of intellectually provocative and playful, but your opinion obviously differs.

I don't know why it is that some people just cannot argue in a rational or civil manner, but rather submit their opinions as settled fact, their theories as the only ones worthy of credit, and regard opposing arguments as personal attacks or so dumb as to be unworthy of response.

What's gone wrong with our educational system?

I'm not an expert in the field of climate change. In matters beyond my field of expertise I defer to those who have devoted their education to the study of the field.

"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities." - http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/007.htm

"(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers." - http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html

The concept that the world-wide scientific community is one giant conspiracy to push the idea of climate change is, frankly, silly. The best fitting theory for climate change by those who research the issue is that it's been largely human caused. If convincing data arises that indicates otherwise, then our interperetations will change (that's how science works). However, that isn't the case with our current understanding.

Hello GS

Climategate

Nicely put, GuitarSteve. I agree with you on all counts.

I see that you haven't read the result of the so-called "climategate":

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/61233/uk-climategate-inquiry-largely-clears.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/08/science/earth/08climate.html?_r=1

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/04/oxburgh-report-clears-controvers.html

http://views.washingtonpost.com/climate-...nnsylvania.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-10899538

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/02/24/science-climategate-noaa.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-22...ng-inquiry.html

Effectively, eight seperate committees (House of Commons Science and Technology Committee (UK), Independent Climate Change Review (UK), International Science Assessment Panel (UK), Pennsylvania State University, United States Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Commerce (US), and the National Science Foundation (US)) assigned to investigate the issue determined that there was no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.

Again, if evidence is advanced that stands up to scrutiny which shows climate change doesn't exist or is not man made then our current understanding will change based on the new facts. That just hasn't happened yet.

Our earth's climate changes are a naturally occurring phenomena. Climate is constantly evolving as it has over history & will continue in the future. It would not be surprising that there will be hundreds of feet of ice on top of my home location like there was in the recent past (in geological time). It will happen again.

The earth is going to do what the earth wants to do & we have very little influence on that. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to do things in a clean, efficient manner - within reason. The problem is, this stuff becomes a religion with some folks where common sense does not enter the discussion.

The biggest problem that I see is the continuing human population explosion. Until that is somehow addressed, there can be no meaningful measures that can be implemented. World religions that want more & more followers in their 'flock' will never support such a notion.

So eventually, as we increasingly over exploit our resources due to more & more humans appearing on this planet, humankind is probably doomed long before our sun blows up. I'm glad & fortunate that I'm living when I am. And no, I'm not coming back as someone else or some other being...

TAM

Well said exlabdriver!

Upon what research are you basing your claims exlabdriver?

My thoughts exactly. One can say that man could not have any impact on climate change, but it's not a claim one can make based on evidence.

If most of the global warming is thought to be due to carbon dioxide emissions, then any effect man had prior to the industrial revolution would be negligible. I do not believe that one can say the same thing about modern man. Admittedly, by the time the real evidence comes in, then I suspect it'll be too late to do much about it.