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#406197 - 07/16/14 03:30 AM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
JohnK Offline
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Lee, since the surround material in 2-channel(or multi-channel)classical sources is ambient in nature and wide dispersion rather than tight imaging is therefore desirable, the QS4s or QS8s are ideal for the purpose.

The Celestions can certainly be used, but a suggestion as to placement would be to have them directly to the side of the listening position but aimed toward the back wall rather than inward, so as to increase the proportion of diffused sound.

Although you may not be ready at this time for the receiver purchase, I'd suggest that since a few of the excellent Onkyo 818 factory refurbs are still available from Accessories4less for about $600, that this be considered. For a lower budget the Denon E400 is available from them for about $250.
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#406262 - 07/20/14 01:07 AM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: JohnK]
Captain4105 Offline
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John, thanks for the celestion placement tip.

After submitting the M80v3's to the trade up program for an estimate, I was disappointed with the amount Axiom would allow. I do not blame them, but I cannot justify to myself the extra cost to trade up to the EP500 & M22's. It may be best just to purchase the EP500 and keep the M80's. Or as an alternative try to sell the M80's privately through eBay for more money if I can. With what they are allowing me it would cost me $1180 for the EP500 & M22's without stands and no new receiver.

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#406263 - 07/20/14 09:16 AM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
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I'd just add a sub to your current system. I'm at a loss as to why people think a bookshelf speaker with stands is either saving a whole lot of space or money vs tower speakers...similar footprint, price gap narrows a fair bit if you're buying stands for the bookshelfs.
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#406265 - 07/20/14 12:12 PM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
exlabdriver Offline
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Interesting - I thought that Axiom was more than generous with me when I traded some stuff in...

TAM

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#406266 - 07/20/14 12:42 PM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
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@ Captain

Trading in is never as lucrative as making a private sale. Trading in is good for the impulse buy much like trading in a car. I once worked for a used car lot as a mechanic and they often brought me what was called a dollar car from a trade in. Try selling privately first, the shipping from SoCal would be huge and if you can sell them local you can pocket that money.
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#406267 - 07/20/14 03:55 PM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
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True; however, according to what I've read from other disgruntled people trying to sell their speakers (especially Axioms) over the past couple of years, you probably will be even more disappointed to see what you can get for them on ebay.

As far as bookshelfs on stands vs towers - I prefer the aesthetics of bookshelfs/stands. Furthermore, I don't like having towers with a bunch of costly woofers that are barely used in a HT AVR setup because most of the lows (normally < 80 Hz ) are directed away from them & sent to the sub(s).

Each to his own...

TAM

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#406268 - 07/20/14 05:06 PM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
Gr8_White_North Offline
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In the original post the OP wanted to shrink the footprint of the speakers. The 80's are big for sure.
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#406276 - 07/21/14 12:52 AM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
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Tam,

Have you listened to the M80HP or M100 without a sub?
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#406277 - 07/21/14 12:58 AM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
exlabdriver Offline
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Actually I listened to a pair of prototype M100V3s Axioms in their factory listening room using one of my favourite CDs.

I liked them but I preferred my M2s plus 2 x EP400s in my home. Perhaps I was just used to mine...

TAM


Edited by exlabdriver (07/21/14 01:09 AM)

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#406294 - 07/21/14 11:19 PM Re: What Do You Think? [Re: Captain4105]
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Socketman: I sold used and new cars when in graduate school and I'd say your analogy is accurate. Also I do want to reduce the footprint but not for the cost I've calculated.

As an alternative I researched HSU subs and am now looking at SVS. The VTF-3 MK4 caught my eye. For $699 + shipping etc. this piece of equipment goes down to 16HZ and has impressive reviews. Pairing this sub with a pair of M22's would cost much less. I am unsure if I could trade up to M22's and stands for the one pair of M80's though. I still think my M80's are wonderful so I am still unsure what to do other than continue to research at this point.

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