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#409226 - 01/03/15 06:09 PM Upgrade?
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So I'm thinking about upgrading to 6.1 or 7.1 from my V2 5.1 set up with two QS 8's, m80s, vp180, ep500. I'm thinking 6.1 would be easier for my room as I could play another speaker behind the couch pretty easy at a reasonable height. If I go 7.1 I would need to mount one from the drop down ceiling in the kitchen and the speakers would be a little higher than I like. Perhaps that's not a big deal because my side surrounds are higher than I would like due to a window in the way, but they sound fine. The couch is about 4 feet from the wall.

So advice would be appreciated on 6.1 versus 7.1, qs4, versus qs8, versus something else, 4 feet too close from couch for fear surrounds, etc.

I'm also toying with the idea of a second sub, but would like to try svs, hsu, etc. I'm the $800 range but would need to pair with ep500 well. I also kicked around the idea of a 3 channel amp for my fronts, but axiom amps are a little more than I want to spend. So it's either two more surrounds, an amp, a second sub, or maybe a single rear surround and sub.


Pictures of setup so you can visualize surround location. Thanks in advance.









Edited by terzaghi (01/03/15 06:11 PM)
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#409228 - 01/03/15 06:23 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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I suppose 6.1 really would be the easiest if you wanted to expand the surrounds, though, personally, I'd probably stick with 5.1 in that space and put the money toward the second sub and/or amp that you're considering. If you did do a rear surround or surrounds, however, you'd have a little more space between your couch and the speakers than I currently have. I only have around 2 feet. While not ideal, it does work.

Also, the pictures of the family here and on Facebook are always good to see.

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#409230 - 01/03/15 06:38 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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I would second adding a second sub over 7.1 easily. Cant comment on amps unless your current AVR is lacking output.

Adding a second sub was a big sonic upgrade, both for music and movies in my setup.
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#409231 - 01/03/15 06:53 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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Thanks! Yeah, the little guy keeps me ony toes. I was thinking just adding a third qs8 would be easiest and provide some improvement at a reasonable cost. I can easily access the attic to run cable so that's no problem. If I go 7.1 I could use some kind of bracket to bring the speaker down a couple feet from the drop ceiling assuming the wife wouldn't get too mad about a speaker floating in the air and the other fixed to the wall. I moved my sub up from the back corner to the side of my couch and would like to have one on the opposite side of the couch ( near fireplace/window which would put them In line with listening position on each side of room. However, that is an exterior wall and would not be able to fish sub cable through it. It could be done, but Most likely, my second sub would go near the front of the room.


Anyone have thoughts on hsu vs svs, or for amps are emotiva still sub par when it comes to powering m80s?

Axiom amps or subs aren't out of the question but have to look at budget more closely.
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#409236 - 01/03/15 07:06 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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If you are open to moving speakers/subs around we might find you some extra horsepower for $0. smile

More pics of the room or a drawing with dimensions would be a good start if you are able. Sorry if you have them up somewhere already.
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#409237 - 01/03/15 07:06 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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Edited by terzaghi (01/03/15 07:09 PM)
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#409238 - 01/03/15 07:14 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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Ok for single rear surround 4 feet from couch is QS still the way to go?

The more I think about it the more I want to add one surround and a sub. An amp would be nice but probably a future item. My room is pretty big with tall ceilings, etc. so have always felt I could use some more power over my 3808. Since I don't often get the chance to play thing very loud tho I get by fine at moderate loud volumes.

Too many subs to choose from...


Edited by terzaghi (01/03/15 07:15 PM)
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#409239 - 01/03/15 07:37 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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No room sketches but my room is about 17 x 21 with 12 foot ceilings. Couch is along the long dimension. Sitting position is About 10 to 11 feet from front center, fronts are 10 feet apart. I've tried my sub between the TV and front right, back right cornerx and currently it is pretty much even with couch on right wall. I had it in Back right corner the longest time, but recently noticed it is extra boomy in the bedroom from the location and a little dead from couch. Not horrible, but enPugh difference that my wife notices bass from bedroom more than I do on couch. Moving the sun forward 4 feet even with the couch seems to solve this but I feel like a second sub would smooth things out a bit.

Is it imperative that the subs be identical? I assume that is best but not required as long as they have similar capability.

The more I think about it I could probably figure a way to put the second sub on opposite exterior wall if that proved to be the best location sound wise. I'd end up having to route through the exterior brick wall or cut drywall and re-texture but I could make it happen.


Edited by terzaghi (01/03/15 07:49 PM)
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#409241 - 01/03/15 08:44 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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It is not imperative the subs are identical. It does make it easier to set levels between them when the dials on each are "weighted" the same. Ie. 1 o'clock on each subs gain equalls the same output when they are matching.

Your room is definitely a tough one. Times ten. I'm guessing you can play your system very loud but the result never seems very dynamic. Is this the case? The problem is all of the openings and kitchen/dining area are sharing the acoustic energy intended for your viewing area. You are thinking duh. laugh. The sub is currently energizing your foyer with equal energy.

The cure is also the killer in your case. Another sub will give you a more dynamic experience without question. The downside is 2 subs in your main living space will energize the structure with ease on loud passages. All the sound energy must decay somewhere. Somewhere is everywhere in your case. This will result in modal peaks in locations outside your theater space. It can't be avoided. frown

Pound for pound, a sub is the greatest contributor to the dynamic experience in a home theater setup. I would argue even more for larger rooms. All higher frequencies are bolstered by a solid low frequency foundation.

Once you go 2 subs you wont go back........
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#409243 - 01/03/15 10:19 PM Re: Upgrade? [Re: terzaghi]
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I recently went to 7.1 with rear surrounds. Originally was running 7.1 with my Denon using DSX front wides with my M2's. I am really enjoying my rear surrounds using PLIIx . I hung them from the ceiling with some AM25 pinpoint metal mounts I got off Amazon. Since the M2's are quite heavy I had to add another set screw to the mounts so they did not droop. I have the M2's tilted and angled toward the couch. I am considering in the future of adding M2's in place of my QS4's since I have found that I prefer the direct radiating surround speakers like I have set up in my bedroom 5.1. More subs are always good, so I would say go 7.2 if its in the budget . I will never go for ATMOS so this is the next best thing.

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