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#409518 - 01/15/15 07:09 PM Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier?
Zak Offline
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Hello and Happy New Year to all.

I am looking at possibly replacing my current A/V receiver (Yamaha RX-V3800) with a separate processor and amplifier instead.
I currently have the Axiom Epic 60-500 system in a 7.1 configuration, and I want to ensure that all of my speakers (M60's, VP150, QS8's) can handle the output of this 7 channel amplifier?

Outlaw Audio Model 7200 (200w x 7)

Specifications
Power output: 200 watts RMS x 7 (all channels driven simultaneously into 8 ohms from 20 Hz to 20 kHz with less than 0.05% total harmonic distortion). 300 watts RMS x 7 @ 4 ohms
Signal to Noise: >119dB below rated FTCfull bandwidth power
Power Bandwidth: 5 Hz - over 100 kHz (+0/-3 dB)
Crosstalk: Greater than -100 dB from 20 Hz to 20 KHz
Intermodulation Distortion: Less than .03% from 250mV to full rated FTC power
Voltage gain: RCA 28dB.
Slew rate: 50 Volts/microsecond
Remote Trigger voltage: 3 - 32 volts DC
Power requirements: 115 V 50-60 Hz
Power consumption: 1,800 watts (maximum)
Dimensions (W x H x D): 17.2 x 7.75 with feet x 18 (inches)
Weight: 90 (lbs)

Thanks!
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#409521 - 01/15/15 07:37 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: Zak]
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Yes. Too much power is not a problem, under-powering a speaker typically is (assuming you turn the volume up high and make the under-powered amp go into clipping).

You'll be fine!
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#409525 - 01/15/15 08:05 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: Zak]
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#409529 - 01/15/15 10:00 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: Zak]
JohnK Offline
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Zak, the first point is that speakers don't necessarily have to "handle" the maximum output of an amplifier, regardless of how high the number is. You're in control of how much power is actually used by your control of the volume level. At a typical comfortably loud average level about 1 watt is being used, and of course much more is used on brief high level peaks.

You don't explain why you're considering a change from the RX-V3800. This is a quite high-powered 140 watt max per channel amplifier. A 200 watt max amplifier simply allows playing a peak about 2 dB louder(e.g., 107dB rather than 105dB). Unless your use is at an unusually long distance and/or extremely high(and dangerous to hearing)volume levels, the RX-V3800 would appear to have ample output capability.
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#409560 - 01/17/15 07:54 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: JohnK]
Zak Offline
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Registered: 01/13/08
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Yes. Too much power is not a problem, under-powering a speaker typically is (assuming you turn the volume up high and make the under-powered amp go into clipping).

You'll be fine!


Thank you!

Originally Posted By: SirQuack
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Cool.
Looks like your amp has balanced channels.
What is the difference between an amp with balanced and non-balanced channels? E.g. Outlaw 7200 vs. 7700.

Thanks!

Originally Posted By: JohnK
Zak, the first point is that speakers don't necessarily have to "handle" the maximum output of an amplifier, regardless of how high the number is. You're in control of how much power is actually used by your control of the volume level. At a typical comfortably loud average level about 1 watt is being used, and of course much more is used on brief high level peaks.

You don't explain why you're considering a change from the RX-V3800. This is a quite high-powered 140 watt max per channel amplifier. A 200 watt max amplifier simply allows playing a peak about 2 dB louder(e.g., 107dB rather than 105dB). Unless your use is at an unusually long distance and/or extremely high(and dangerous to hearing)volume levels, the RX-V3800 would appear to have ample output capability.


No real reason.
I love my Yamaha receiver, and I have had no issues with it what so ever, but I have always wanted to try separates.
Would I hear any discernable differences at my movie listening levels (-16.0 db) between my AVR and the Outlaw separates?

Thanks!
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#409562 - 01/17/15 10:22 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: Zak]
JohnK Offline
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As was indicated in my reply, unless an extremely loud level was being used, which apparently isn't the case with you, the RX-V3800 should be entirely satisfactory. A slightly higher maximum output number is of no significance if it isn't being used.
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#409574 - 01/18/15 12:53 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: Zak]
casey01 Offline
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You might want to consider another option. I have owned a number of Yamaha AVR's over the years and have run a system where I connected my AVR to a couple of Outlaw power amps which sounds great. Does it sound better than a higher end receiver on its own? Hard to say, but I made the purchase anyway. When Yamaha introduced their Pre-Pro last year(CX-A5000), I sold my Yamaha RXA-2000 and bought the Pre-Pro which, of course, naturally integrated in to my present amplification system.

If you are happy with your 3800, consider buying the Outlaw 7200 and just connect the pre-outs to it. The fact that this particular model, as opposed to their model 7700, doesn't have balanced inputs, really shouldn't make any difference. The 7200 will give you noticeably more power and headroom, especially "all channels driven", however, it is just a matter of personal choice and, of course, budget. The 140 watts/ch. rating for Yamaha AVRs is usually with only one or two channels driven and like most AVR ratings, the power levels drop considerably when all channels are driven at the same time. There is generally no compromise on power with separate power amps.

I know Outlaw, is phasing out the 7200 and it is on sale until they run out of them. These amps are made in the U.S. by "ATI" so they are very good quality and if I needed a 7 channel power amp this is one I would jump at and power amps never become obsolete.


Edited by casey01 (01/18/15 01:10 PM)

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#409651 - 01/19/15 06:43 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: SirQuack]
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+1 with SirQuacks preferences, I had fully intended purchasing an Outlaw pre/pro but the unit was canceled before release! Like you I wanted to try the separates route but ended up using a Marantz AVR with an Outlaw 7700. As JohnK has said this much power is not necessary but I wanted a bit more in reserve for those moments where more power (at least in my listening space) was the answer. Probably saw too many Home Improvement episodes! Not being familiar with the M 60's you might well consider one of Outlaws lesser Amps such as the Model 7125. Its still 125 watts with all 7 channels driven.
/Jeff

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#409660 - 01/19/15 08:13 PM Re: Can my Axiom speakers handle this amplifier? [Re: Zak]
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I will say that 7700 is dang heavy. smile
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