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#409903 - 01/29/15 03:00 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: brwsaw]
Aaron75 Offline
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Originally Posted By: brwsaw
[quote=Aaron75]Receivers:




I vote Yamaha 3040. It does Atmos.



the Yamaha 3040 is pushing my price range and the more I read on Atmos it doesn't seem like many movies are rated for it. I was thinking of pre-wiring for it and then upgrading equipment down the road when it becomes more mainstream...
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#409904 - 01/29/15 03:13 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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Also I have never owned a system amplifier. Is there a benefit to saving on receiver and getting an amplifier?
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#409906 - 01/29/15 03:53 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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If you go ATMOS you are likely looking to add an amp anyhow. Most AVRs only drive max 9 channels right now.

What you are referring to is going seperates vs an all in one receiver. There are pluses and minuses to both and strong opinions for either being better.

I chose a hybrid approach, as many do, and will run my front channels on outboard amps and let the AVR run the rest. Most of the soundtrack (over 90% according to hometheater geeks podcasts) comes from the front 3 speakers. I doubt this will change much, even with ATMOS, as the sound must still be anchored to the picture.

An AVR is the "brain" of the system while an outboard amp is the "brawn". I much prefer the theoretical "capabilities" of the hybrid approach..... Theoretical because mine are still in the box.

Putty applied to electrical boxes today. smile


Edited by Serenity_Now (01/29/15 03:54 PM)

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#409915 - 01/30/15 02:39 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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Got bored while doors are drying between silicone and filler coats. Skimming back through Nick's thread I remembered to apply sealant to the device boxes around the room. Duct seal is much cheaper than the official putty pads you can buy. I cant see how it would be any less effective. $2.75 a brick and I used 8 in total. 34 boxes... My fingers are sore. For those buying get the gardner bender stuff, not the thomas and betts. Much more spreadable and sticky.

Duct seal on boxes


Had to go to a plumbing specialty store to get a 1" cast floor flange for the mount. Dead centered and ready for my eventual 4K laser projector. (10-15 years counts as eventually. grin). Should'nt have any trouble supporting whatever comrs along. The throw distance is a very flexible 15'. Pipe to screen distance is about 15' 8".

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#409917 - 01/30/15 03:38 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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The duct putty is so worth it though over the putty pads for the price. Your fingers needed a good workout.
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#409922 - 01/31/15 02:08 AM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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Originally Posted By: Serenity_Now
Duct seal is much cheaper than the official putty pads you can buy. I cant see how it would be any less effective. $2.75 a brick and I used 8 in total. 34 boxes... My fingers are sore. For those buying get the gardner bender stuff, not the thomas and betts. Much more spreadable and sticky.


I bought some of the putty pads on the first go-round, but I wised up and bought that duct seal stuff for what remained. Either way is a workout for the fingers.

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#409966 - 02/02/15 03:34 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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So it looks like I will take the advice of some on the forum and go with an acoustically transparent screen mounting my on wall center speaker behind the screen. Does anyone have an opinion on adding a second center channel? I was thinking of doing so to place one at the listening height for both the front and rear rows of seating.
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#409968 - 02/02/15 05:55 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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Short answer is that most of the time 2 center channel speakers isn't as effective as you might think.

Long answer:
Don't get me wrong, I've done it myself back with my 1st theater space many years ago, but I did so much experimenting with audio, it was far from normal. I had 2 center, front left, front right, 2 more speakers between the center and the right and left in the front, side surrounds, rear surround, multiple subs. This was all when DVD was just coming out, Dolby 5.1 was new, and DTS 5.1 for the home was barely ever heard of.

I did all sorts of power combinations, and signal combinations/splitting to get an immersive sound, and people that came over really liked it. Then again, nobody else that I knew had a home theater either.

I would trade all of that for a good solid 7.1 setup with a single center speaker, no goofy other add-ons or circuit boards combining and splitting channel signals. Oh wait, I did.

Keep in mind that you need to be able to drive 2 center channels as well. Just plugging them both in to the center channel "jacks" on your receiver may not work.

One last thought. If you get the center channel at listening height (seated ear level) of the first row, you should have (typically) no more than 12 inches of height from that to what would be the 2nd row listening height. From just about any reasonable seating distance, the audio will easily cover both areas very well.

I have a VP180 behind my AT screen. It is on a stand that I made to put the tweeters at ear height of the first row. The 2nd row is 12" taller, and there are no issues at all with the center channel sound quality.
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#409974 - 02/02/15 11:06 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: Aaron75]
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Does your centre already match the L&R speakers? If not this would be my next move.

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#409993 - 02/03/15 03:06 PM Re: Lets plan a theater space [Re: AAAA]
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All of my speakers Match. Axiom Epic Grand Master on wall 7.1
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